The Matrix Question

[Corso482]

Concerning the premise of the original movie...

Why, if computers have the power to enslave all human kind for exploitation, do they even bother humoring us with a false reality? Why not just let us suffer in those little energy harvesting pods? Are the computers so altruistic that they would generate a false life for the prisoners? I don't get it.

 

[Babak]

this was already answered. People started dying, so the computers had to create an artificial reality so that they would live out their lives and thereby provide maximum electricity

 

[harrytrader]

I never saw Matrix I can't tell you. I must be one of the only rare specimens of humans not to have seen it Science fiction doesn't interest me only reality

Now there is a phenomenon known by psychologists and propagandists : when people see something that they are told it is science fiction they make an unconcious binary mapping in their brain that science fiction = non reality but the symbol "=" is mistakengly interpreted as if it was a mathematical binary true/false operator which cannot apply since we have a complex set of facts and so they think what is described in this fiction can never occur in reality since it is science fiction which is logically false: something that is presented in science fiction film doesn't mean that it cannot occur in reality. Of course consciously they can think that it can occur but the subconscious will somehow reject it especially if this reality is frightening. So each time they will see something in reality that could be similar they would remind also the science fiction and then reassure themself it cannot be true. This can be called a reflective illusion or mirror effect.

Quote from Corso482:

Concerning the premise of the original movie...

Why, if computers have the power to enslave all human kind for exploitation, do they even bother humoring us with a false reality? Why not just let us suffer in those little energy harvesting pods? Are the computers so altruistic that they would generate a false life for the prisoners? I don't get it.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

I never understood the thermodynamics of the whole energy generation premise. I think you would use up more energy than you generated. Otherwise we'd be walking around giving off electrostatic shocks. Cool movie though.

 

[KymarFye]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

I never understood the thermodynamics of the whole energy generation premise. I think you would use up more energy than you generated. Otherwise we'd be walking around giving off electrostatic shocks. Cool movie though.

I agree about the premise: It makes no sense, at least as explained. One of the main reasons - in addition to the corny, cliche storyline - that I never liked the movie very much. It wouldn't have been hard to come up with a much better, more interesting premise that would have justified essentially the same "world" of the story.

 

[sunnie]

Quote from Corso482:

Concerning the premise of the original movie...

Why, if computers have the power to enslave all human kind for exploitation, do they even bother humoring us with a false reality? Why not just let us suffer in those little energy harvesting pods? Are the computers so altruistic that they would generate a false life for the prisoners? I don't get it.

If one wants to get into understanding the movie, a good start would be "Philosophy & The Matrix"

http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/

(click on philosophy section) and begin reading one of a number of articles offering various analyses....I found The Matrix a great movie, and it can get quite deep, depending on how much time one wants to spend studying it....:eek:

 

[harrytrader]

Let's remark that people like discussing Fiction philosophy but as for discussing Reality philosophy there is nobody left ... is this kind of Opium Thinking Escape ?

Quote from sunnie:



If one wants to get into understanding the movie, a good start would be "Philosophy & The Matrix"

http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/

(click on philosophy section) and begin reading one of a number of articles offering various analyses....I found The Matrix a great movie, and it can get quite deep, depending on how much time one wants to spend studying it....:eek:

 

[harrytrader]

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Orwell's warning is for real : because if 1984 was just a novel Orwell was more than just a novelist : he was ALSO an ex-member of the Illuminati (at least I don't know at the moment if he continue to be a member ) who predicates what is in 1984. So he was an INSIDER who has special access to information as Harold Quickgley (see http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16437&highlight=QUICKGLEY) who on the contrary did not use the fiction's form but history book.

Doesn't this apply to today's huh ?

"The Ministry of Truth -- Minitrue, in Newspeak -- was startlingly different from any other object in sight. It was an enormous pyramidal structure of glittering white concrete, soaring up, terrace after terrace, 300 metres into the air. From where Winston stood it was just possible to read, picked out on its white face in elegant lettering, the three slogans of the Party:

WAR IS PEACE

FREEDOM IS SLAVERY

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH "

They can use law before violence: Georges RIPERT on legal tyranny

"Confronted with such a tight regulation, can man pretend to be free because the tyranny he is subjected to derives from the law? Of course, the legal power is not called "tyranny" since it appears to be established by the general will in the common interest, and since, in any event, occurrences of arbitrary power are infrequent. But a master's equity does not mean that his subjects are not slaves. ... And when their servitude lasts and their thoughts follow their behavior, the state becomes totalitarian and subjection is complete. Since it is legal servitude, the regime is still said to be democratic. Such is the hypocrisy of political language."

 

[harrytrader]

Matrix what matrix ?

from a journalist who has been a member of skull and bones at Yale University :

http://www.secretsofthetomb.com/excerpt.php

"Skull and Bones created the American Historical Association, the American Psychological Association, and the American Economic Association so that the society could ensure that history would be written under its terms and promote its objectives. The society then installed its own members as the presidents of these associations."