The loneliness of success

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Quote from NoDoji:



As for the loneliness of success, that's a crock o' crap. If you're successful and feeling lonely because you can't talk "shop" with your friends and family, then do some informal mentoring and help guide a frustrated soul toward discovering their own Holy Grail of success.

Let me give you an example of an extremely successful guy.
His daughter once invited him to a cafe for a chat. As she had just had her first job, and left home, started to become independent..., she paid her dad's coffee. She explained that her dad told her "this is the first time anybody had ever paid even a coffee for me". Her dad being an extremely successful person who helped tons of people, and to whom many would come when needing a favor.
So the issue of "loneliness of success" is actually a very valid one.

 

[ChkitOut]

Quote from NoDoji:

I don't think anything I do is secretive, it's pure price action concepts available from Brooks, Volman, Suri, Anek, several current ET posters, and probably hundreds of others.

I ignored everything successful traders told me, screwed up again, started reading some Brooks, got some ideas, got an answer to a question from Redneck once, got some ideas, watched a video AustinP posted on ET once, got yet more ideas, started working really hard to develop a plan with rules and came up with a very profitable way of day trading.

The precise way I enter and manage my trades might be different from the precise way Cornix or Xspurt or anyone else enters and manages their trades, but to be able to trade a method you have to make it your own so you can trust it.

Why would you care how many points someone makes or how many contracts they trade? How would that help you learn to trade based on probabilities in your favor?

As for the loneliness of success, that's a crock o' crap. If you're successful and feeling lonely because you can't talk "shop" with your friends and family, then do some informal mentoring and help guide a frustrated soul toward discovering their own Holy Grail of success.

nodoji is one of the few that has been very generous with actually answering questions without any obfuscation. i have to commend her for that, you simply cant find that anywhere.

mostly you get answers that have nothing to do with your question but nodoji gets very specific and actually helps.

bravo.

 

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Quote from ChkitOut:

the secretive nature of trading is the most frustrating part of the entire business... im simply talking about performance.

Surely, you must know that
Or
a) the vendor is making serious dough trading
b) the vendor is not really making serious dough trading, or is inconsistent in trading.

case b) could explain the secrecy. Though I remember one company used one of their trader blowing a huge account to advertise what not to do, and how open and honest they were , as they had many trading rooms and trading educators.

case a) the vendor would be flamed for it. And here all the negative effects of "fear of success" would appear.

 

[dewton]

The solution to loneliness is to love people- i.e. focus on other people rather than yourself. Remove your focus from the self-centered "me me me", "I I I", "it's all about me" mentality and start thinking more about other people.

Switching mentalities doesn't happen overnight. But you can start small- start with the small things. Buy a meal for somebody who's hungry. Host a surprise birthday party for somebody. etc.

If you've been self-centered all your life (and I'm not saying you are), then this may sound dreadful. But step outside your comfort-zone and try it.

Your life might just might get a whole lot more fulfilling. And the loneliness disappears quickly.

 

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may be.
As in the example I pointed, helping others was done many times over...

 

[Ol' Yella]

Quote from ChkitOut:

the secretive nature of trading is the most frustrating part of the entire business. and im not talking about trading strategies, im simply talking about performance. i dont care what coca colas recipe is but i can clearly see that they are selling a ton of soda.

for example, al brooks often states that he goes many days without losing but will never tell how many pts he makes or how much money he makes, or how many contracts he is trading or anything else. yes, smoke, mirrors and a lot of talking behind the curtain.

Quote from NoDoji:


Why would you care how many points someone makes or how many contracts they trade? How would that help you learn to trade based on probabilities in your favor?

It is true that those numbers wont help you become profitable

But they will help you form realistic goals

how many traders stay mired in the muck because their goals are set way too high

who knows how many struggling traders are out there pounding the desk in frustration and anger that their goals aren't being reached.....

when in reality their goals are impossible to achieve

when expectation is not in line with reality, you approach the game all wrong and success will be even harder to find

As for the loneliness of success, that's a crock o' crap. If you're successful and feeling lonely because you can't talk "shop" with your friends and family, then do some informal mentoring and help guide a frustrated soul toward discovering their own Holy Grail of success.

Yes it is a crock o crap. As I pointed out some pages ago, this was a troll thread... the thread starter had admitted to being unsuccessful in other posts.

 

[Tonkadad]

Quote from Ol' Yella:

It is true that those numbers wont help you become profitable

But they will help you form realistic goals

how many traders stay mired in the muck because their goals are set way too high

who knows how many struggling traders are out there pounding the desk in frustration and anger that their goals aren't being reached.....

when in reality their goals are impossible to achieve

when expectation is not in line with reality, you approach the game all wrong and success will be even harder to find

What if the struggle is what creates the trader?

The price of admission is to be resilient, tenacious, conscious, innovative... etc and then the real work starts.

How many people are actually doing the homework required to get your foot in the door?

 

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Quote from Tonkadad:


The price of admission is to be resilient, tenacious, conscious, innovative... etc and then the real work starts.

How many people are actually doing the homework required to get your foot in the door?

Trading looks like an extremely low barrier to entry endeavour.

Regarding the dad's example. Not a good example, as I found out that his helping others were always under constraints, never coming from a free choice where he could say not helping, as he had a public image to preserve for professional reasons.lol.

 

[millertrader]

Geez, be happy you are making a living and talk to other traders
get a hobby, get busy, travel and read

busting with pride is great --i am sure you are not the only one making money

 

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Quote from millertrader:



busting with pride is great --i am sure you are not the only one making money

not sure he was "busting with pride".
Certainly he was extremely joyful to do well; and having nobody around to share it, he came to share it with the online traders. How about this viewpoint?