Next you ridiculous fools will declare nitrogen a pollutant to be regulated.
The Liberal Climate Hoax?
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Next you ridiculous fools will declare nitrogen a pollutant to be regulated.
1. even if it is a few hundred real climate scientists, did you bring up the chomsky anarchist?
2. your numbers are off by exponential amounts...
3. your post was a typical liberal hit piece. They found a couple guys to destroy... from when the petition started 10 years ago.
And obviously some names made it onto the petition which were put there for obvious reason.
But the point is still there... there is no proof that man made global warming exists.
We may be warming... but that is part of a long cycle.
There is nothing prestigious about the liberal scientists who were manipulation data or anything else the UN touches.
you keep telling me mountains of science...
yet you keep providing - observations which are not inconsistent with cyclical warming (which happens independent of man)
didn't CO2 accumulate in previous warmups after ice ages?
do you get that simple point?
I am asking for science which shows man is causing warming..
Not observations that cycles are happening...
let me be crude.
The ocean in San Diego seems to vary between low fifties and high sixties.... with occasional outliers.
If a bunch of surfers hop in the water... are they warming it.
What if they pee in the wets suits?
Are they warming? would it have warmed anyway.
Would the oceans natural cycle high be altered? Would we simply get they a second early before the cycle reversed. Would the oceans natural processes deal with the added pee or human warmth.
You are telling me surfers are peeing in the ocean.
Am I happy about it, no... but does it matter.
You are telling me the temperature changing.
I am saying to you so what... we expected it to.
You are telling me CO2 accumulates ... I am saying that is what happens after we start to warm.
So telling me about CO2 is rising 50 times makes you insincere.
Obviously not.
Your lack of evidence is underwhelming.
MY point is that you are dedicated to refusing to get the point, by pointedly ignoring the FACTS. It is the right-wing ideologue's stock in trade to willfully ignore the truth and cling to lies and distortions that "support" your real agenda, which apparently coincides with the oil companies'.
Try this truth on for size:
http://news.mongabay.com/2009/0122-climate.html
Now tell us how this is another "liberal hit piece" without of course any actual evidence to support that accusation and give us another lame hand-waving attempt at obfuscation and baseless accusations. because that's "real scientific" ... for a right-winger.
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Obviously not.
Your lack of evidence is underwhelming.
MY point is that you are dedicated to refusing to get the point, by pointedly ignoring the FACTS. It is the right-wing ideologue's stock in trade to willfully ignore the truth and cling to lies and distortions that "support" your real agenda, which apparently coincides with the oil companies'.
Try this truth on for size:
http://news.mongabay.com/2009/0122-climate.html
Now tell us how this is another "liberal hit piece" without of course any actual evidence to support that accusation and give us another lame hand-waving attempt at obfuscation and baseless accusations. because that's "real scientific" ... for a right-winger.
I am not ignoring shit.
If I have asked once I have asked 100 times... where is the evidence that warming does not cause CO2 accumulation?
I still suffer ( a bit) from surfing in polluted water years ago.
I do not enjoy pollution.
I have no evidence in this debate. I have no side.
I am just saying you have no science...
where is the science? is that too much to ask? How about the data?
If warming precedes CO2 buildup.... what causes warming?
Why would warming cause CO2 accumulation? You minimize the obvious cause of CO2 accumulation (human industry) while clinging at some ridiculous straw of "the sun done it."
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-other-planets-solar-system.htm
The sun ain't doing shit, we are. Deal with it.
As far as your specious claim of "no science", what makes you qualified to say that? 97% of working climatologists accept AGW. Are you claiming that's all "liberal politics" and no science? Prove it.
New Rule: Al Gore must come out with a sequel to his movie about climate change and call it An Inconvenient Truth 2: What the Fuck Is Wrong with You People?
by Bill Maher
Friday, 4 June 2010
A bunch of depressing new surveys reveal that people in droves are starting to believe that global warming is a hoax -- and this time, it's not just us. People are always accusing me of hating America and calling it stupid, so tonight I'd like to take a few moments to hate England and call it stupid. Because now English people don't believe in global warming either. I thought the English were smarter than that. The home of Newton and Darwin. I can't believe we let these people build our exploding oil platforms.
Even scarier is why people have stopped thinking global warming is real. One major reason pollsters say is we had a very cold, snowy winter. Which is like saying the sun might not be real because last night it got dark. And my car's not real because I can't find my keys.
That's the problem with our obsession with always seeing two sides of every issue equally -- especially when one side has a lot of money. It means we have to pretend there are always two truths, and the side that doesn't know anything has something to say. On this side of the debate: Every scientist in the world. On the other: Mr. Potato Head.
There is no debate here -- just scientists versus non-scientists, and since the topic is science, the non-scientists don't get a vote. We shouldn't decide everything by polling the masses. Just because most people believe something doesn't make it true. This is the fallacy called argumentum ad numeram: the idea that something is true because great numbers believe it. As in: Eat shit, 20 trillion flies can't be wrong.
Or take this recent headline: "TV weathercasters divided on global warming." Who gives a shit? My TV weathercaster is a bimbo with big tits who used to be on a soap opera on Telemundo. Media, could you please stop pitting the ignorant versus the educated and framing it as a "debate"? The other day, I saw a professor from the Union of Concerned Scientists face off against a distinguished expert on Tea Partying, whose brilliant analysis, recently published in the New England Journal of Grasping at Straws, was that we shouldn't teach climate science in schools because kids find it scary. As they should. I hope they're peeing in their pants.
The last decade, year, and month are all the hottest on record. Then there's the killing of the oceans, floods, Category-5 hurricanes, heat waves, giant wild fires, and the vanishing water supply. You know, the little things. And yet deniers say, it's just a theory. As is gravity.
For progress to happen, certain things have to become not an issue anymore, so we can go on to the next issue. Evolution was an issue until overwhelming consensus among scientists made it not an issue.
When I was 6 years old, it was an issue how babies were born. There were conflicting theories, and there was not a consensus. Some thought a stork brought babies, others contended you bought them at the hospital, the Catholic boys said the Holy Ghost brought them -- and one kid said that girls had sort of a -- as he described it -- "flap" in front and that men put their penises in it. This seemed the least likely. And yet by the time we reached age 11, even though we still had, none of us, actually seen the flap -- the consensus of opinion was overwhelming for the penis-vagina theory. It was no longer an issue.
Devastating, worldwide climate change is happening, whether you phone in and vote for it or not. You can't vote for rain. What's real is what's real, and, like it or not, no one can change the nature of reality.
by Bill Maher
Friday, 4 June 2010
A bunch of depressing new surveys reveal that people in droves are starting to believe that global warming is a hoax -- and this time, it's not just us. People are always accusing me of hating America and calling it stupid, so tonight I'd like to take a few moments to hate England and call it stupid. Because now English people don't believe in global warming either. I thought the English were smarter than that. The home of Newton and Darwin. I can't believe we let these people build our exploding oil platforms.
Even scarier is why people have stopped thinking global warming is real. One major reason pollsters say is we had a very cold, snowy winter. Which is like saying the sun might not be real because last night it got dark. And my car's not real because I can't find my keys.
That's the problem with our obsession with always seeing two sides of every issue equally -- especially when one side has a lot of money. It means we have to pretend there are always two truths, and the side that doesn't know anything has something to say. On this side of the debate: Every scientist in the world. On the other: Mr. Potato Head.
There is no debate here -- just scientists versus non-scientists, and since the topic is science, the non-scientists don't get a vote. We shouldn't decide everything by polling the masses. Just because most people believe something doesn't make it true. This is the fallacy called argumentum ad numeram: the idea that something is true because great numbers believe it. As in: Eat shit, 20 trillion flies can't be wrong.
Or take this recent headline: "TV weathercasters divided on global warming." Who gives a shit? My TV weathercaster is a bimbo with big tits who used to be on a soap opera on Telemundo. Media, could you please stop pitting the ignorant versus the educated and framing it as a "debate"? The other day, I saw a professor from the Union of Concerned Scientists face off against a distinguished expert on Tea Partying, whose brilliant analysis, recently published in the New England Journal of Grasping at Straws, was that we shouldn't teach climate science in schools because kids find it scary. As they should. I hope they're peeing in their pants.
The last decade, year, and month are all the hottest on record. Then there's the killing of the oceans, floods, Category-5 hurricanes, heat waves, giant wild fires, and the vanishing water supply. You know, the little things. And yet deniers say, it's just a theory. As is gravity.
For progress to happen, certain things have to become not an issue anymore, so we can go on to the next issue. Evolution was an issue until overwhelming consensus among scientists made it not an issue.
When I was 6 years old, it was an issue how babies were born. There were conflicting theories, and there was not a consensus. Some thought a stork brought babies, others contended you bought them at the hospital, the Catholic boys said the Holy Ghost brought them -- and one kid said that girls had sort of a -- as he described it -- "flap" in front and that men put their penises in it. This seemed the least likely. And yet by the time we reached age 11, even though we still had, none of us, actually seen the flap -- the consensus of opinion was overwhelming for the penis-vagina theory. It was no longer an issue.
Devastating, worldwide climate change is happening, whether you phone in and vote for it or not. You can't vote for rain. What's real is what's real, and, like it or not, no one can change the nature of reality.