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The kidnapped British soldiers
- Thread starter sputdr
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Quote from tradermaji:
I think that has been coerced from the captured soldier.
Ya think? This isn't really up for debate. It has happened before. It is standard procedure for this to happen: coersion of detainees to produce false testimony for the purposes of local propoganda.
However, I believe that the brits did wander into Iranian waters and the Iranians were just waiting for the opportunity. Maybe there was some kind of trap set up for the brits.
There is no evidence to support your hunch. What has led you to "believe" one way or another?
Perhaps you were not aware of the initial coordinates furnished by the Iranians to the British Government that actually, comically, confirmed that they were in Iraqi waters and not Iranian waters.
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:
If you think communism imposed by force was a morally superior option, you should study the history of vietnam, China or Cuba after communists took over. Or Russia. It killed more people than the Nazis ever dreamed of doing.
There is no difference between Communism and Americanism. Both are materialist, universalistic, and interventionistic. What is the difference between Communist "wars of national liberation" and ours? It's no good saying, we are sincere, because so are the Communists. Communism has a logic of its own which justifies everything Communists do. What's the difference? If the plutocracy of America decides that there's not enough "freedom" on the South Pole, that gives America the right to invade the South Pole. If it turns out that 100% of the people on the South Pole, or the penguins, or whatever, all hate Americans, that proves that they don't understand what "freedom" is, and should be bombed, starved, imprisoned, and brain-washed until they accept a puppet government set up by America. How does that differ from Communism? The only real difference is that Americanism is more successful economically. There's no more freedom, really. It's just not as crude. America is nothing but the greatest plutocracy the world has ever known. It's the only country that is fighting wars for special interests.
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:
The Geneva Conventions make it quite clear that parading POW's around, putting them on TV or forcing confessions from them are war crimes. That was the root of the controversy over Gitmo. We claimed a right to interrogate the detainees because they were not troops covered by the Conventions.
The UK and Iran were not at war and therefore, the captured British soldiers are not POW and the Geneva Convention does not apply.
However, even if the Geneva Convention did apply, the Iranians could come up with some mechanism to get around it much like was done for Gitmo.
In any event, since when did war crimes get punished?
dont be mad that i am educated and you are ignorant. but hey, some people are happy with learning about the world from watching FOX news rather than from traveling abroad.Quote from AAAintheBeltway:
I would call you stupid but you are clearly the unfortunate victim of our govenment schools and probably a prestigious university "education" that has brainwashed you with multiculturalist nonsense.
I never said we INVENTED slavery. learn to read. how can you even compare the scale of slave trade that went on in the USA to within african history? you cant if you dont know your history and blame africans for their own enslavement. black people did not have equal rights in this country until a few decades ago. more americans died fighting a war over slavery than all other wars combined. the facts are the facts. you dont get to pick and choose. just because some white americans were abolitionists does not mean slavery never happened. the persian empire banned slavery long before english and american christians even existed. so by your logic, that means modern day persia (Iran) is morally superior.Quote from AAAintheBeltway:
If you think we invented slavery, you need to study african history. You might also reflect on the fact that English and American Christians led the abolitionlist movement.
I never said communism was a morally superior option. Once again, you need to learn to read. You set your standards pretty low. Following your logic, South Americans should be happy that the dictators we put in place were less blood thirsty than stalin. instead of having 100,000 people purged in El Salvador, it could have been more if the commies were in power. yeah great logic. but it could have been lower too. and did you ever consider that maybe a country could choose to not be communist without having a dictator in place? how about if we put some honest non-corrupt leaders in power? nice to know that you would rather have the nazi's ruling the world rather than communists.Quote from AAAintheBeltway:
If you think communism imposed by force was a morally superior option, you should study the history of vietnam, China or Cuba after communists took over. Or Russia. It killed more people than the Nazis ever dreamed of doing.
I never asked you to apologize. I asked that you be honest with reality. You obviously feel that Middle Eastern countries are uncivilized and inferior people. There might be progress arguing with someone who is simply ignorant but there is no hope arguing with someone who is also racist deep down inside.Quote from AAAintheBeltway:
I don't apoligize for Western Civilization and I say without hesitation that our culture and our morality are far superior to that imposed by the islamists.
Quote from monistat7:
dont be mad that i am educated and you are ignorant. but hey, some people are happy with learning about the world from watching FOX news rather than from traveling abroad.
I never said we INVENTED slavery. learn to read. how can you even compare the scale of slave trade that went on in the USA to within african history? you cant if you dont know your history and blame africans for their own enslavement. black people did not have equal rights in this country until a few decades ago. more americans died fighting a war over slavery than all other wars combined. the facts are the facts. you dont get to pick and choose. just because some white americans were abolitionists does not mean slavery never happened. the persian empire banned slavery long before english and american christians even existed. so by your logic, that means modern day persia (Iran) is morally superior.
I never said communism was a morally superior option. Once again, you need to learn to read. You set your standards pretty low. Following your logic, South Americans should be happy that the dictators we put in place were less blood thirsty than stalin. instead of having 100,000 people purged in El Salvador, it could have been more if the commies were in power. yeah great logic. but it could have been lower too. and did you ever consider that maybe a country could choose to not be communist without having a dictator in place? how about if we put some honest non-corrupt leaders in power? nice to know that you would rather have the nazi's ruling the world rather than communists.
I never asked you to apologize. I asked that you be honest with reality. You obviously feel that Middle Eastern countries are uncivilized and inferior people. There might be progress arguing with someone who is simply ignorant but there is no hope arguing with someone who is also racist deep down inside.
Excellent job of rebuttal. However, like you said, you can't expect a faux news schooled racist klansman to accept facts as facts.
Quote from monistat7:
dont be mad that i am educated and you are ignorant. but hey, some people are happy with learning about the world from watching FOX news rather than from traveling abroad.
I never said we INVENTED slavery. learn to read. how can you even compare the scale of slave trade that went on in the USA to within african history? you cant if you dont know your history and blame africans for their own enslavement. black people did not have equal rights in this country until a few decades ago. more americans died fighting a war over slavery than all other wars combined. the facts are the facts. you dont get to pick and choose. just because some white americans were abolitionists does not mean slavery never happened. the persian empire banned slavery long before english and american christians even existed. so by your logic, that means modern day persia (Iran) is morally superior.
I never said communism was a morally superior option. Once again, you need to learn to read. You set your standards pretty low. Following your logic, South Americans should be happy that the dictators we put in place were less blood thirsty than stalin. instead of having 100,000 people purged in El Salvador, it could have been more if the commies were in power. yeah great logic. but it could have been lower too. and did you ever consider that maybe a country could choose to not be communist without having a dictator in place? how about if we put some honest non-corrupt leaders in power? nice to know that you would rather have the nazi's ruling the world rather than communists.
I never asked you to apologize. I asked that you be honest with reality. You obviously feel that Middle Eastern countries are uncivilized and inferior people. There might be progress arguing with someone who is simply ignorant but there is no hope arguing with someone who is also racist deep down inside.
What a typical liberal response. Disagree with you and I'm not just wrong or misinformed, I have to be a hatefilled racist homophobic polluting scum.
I do agree it's a waste of time to debate this. You have your own dumbed-down version of history, painted in black and white. No gray areas, no need to balance unappealing options. And guess what? America is always the bad guy. I don't see it that way. Probably the millions of people who seek to immigrate here don't either.
Your a liberal and I'm not.
Everytime a right ringer gets in a argument he can't win he starts calls names... your a liberal... Kinda how we used to tease each other in grade school.
Even when wright wringers get in arguments with themselves the L word comes out when they get frustrated and don't know what to say... na na na your a liberal. It's weak and usually shows when one's been schooled in an argument. Anyone wants to call me a liberal will have to meet me behind the gym after 7th period.
Everytime a right ringer gets in a argument he can't win he starts calls names... your a liberal... Kinda how we used to tease each other in grade school.
Even when wright wringers get in arguments with themselves the L word comes out when they get frustrated and don't know what to say... na na na your a liberal. It's weak and usually shows when one's been schooled in an argument. Anyone wants to call me a liberal will have to meet me behind the gym after 7th period.