The Israeli conflict in a nutshell

[gwb-trading]

There was never any intent on the part of the Arab world there to have Jews in Israel from the beginning. The wars in the 60's and 70's were not about anything except killing all of them and pushing them out of there and the PLO and Hamas were the answer when their armies failed. Israel does not have clean hands but don't equate the Palestinians to the Native Americans fighting of the white man invaders and encroachers. There were plenty of tribes that co existed until the U.S. tried to exterminate them off the land. The Jews were never accepted as co in habitors of Israel, they were invaded numerous times to kill them off and destroy them.

There should be a mention that American Indian tribes warred on each other for hundreds of years before the Europeans even showed up. There were eras of relative tranquility between neighboring tribes and periods of significant conflict.

Anyway there is one thing that killed off more Native Americans than the Europeans..... or even than their neighboring tribes. It was diseases primarily introduced by Europeans which were responsible for more than 90% of Native American deaths during a lengthy period of time.

 

[Cuddles]

There was never any intent on the part of the Arab world there to have Jews in Israel from the beginning. The wars in the 60's and 70's were not about anything except killing all of them and pushing them out of there and the PLO and Hamas were the answer when their armies failed. Israel does not have clean hands but don't equate the Palestinians to the Native Americans fighting of the white man invaders and encroachers. There were plenty of tribes that co existed until the U.S. tried to exterminate them off the land. The Jews were never accepted as co in habitors of Israel, they were invaded numerous times to kill them off and destroy them.

I'm not excusing the backwards belief system of the Muslim world, their disdain and persecution of "infidels" or their opposition to the post WWII Israel territorial birthday cake apportioning. I'm not making excuses or judging the salvage belief system or customs of native American either.

Jews and Christians cohabitated with Muslims in Israel pre-WWII, but let's not try to rewrite history on who the majority in the region were, the displacement of those in the majority, or the Israeli led cultural cleansing of the region to those who won't assimilate. The Palestinian fighting encroachment and displacement is a good an analogy to Indian displacement as you're going to find.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel#Ottoman_period_(1516–1917)

 

[userque]

It was diseases primarily introduced by Europeans which were responsible for more than 90% of Native American deaths during a lengthy period of time.

Yes. They tried to intentionally infect the natives with diseased blankets.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

Jews and Christians cohabitated with Muslims in Israel pre-WWII, but let's not try to rewrite history on who the majority in the region were, the displacement of those in the majority, or the Israeli led cultural cleansing of the region to those who won't assimilate.

You cherrypick out the points in time that serve your purpose in regard to trying to make the case that muslims were the original dominant peoples/culture in Palestine.

Let's look at this differently, shall we.

Palestine was originally occupied by Hebrew people, the 12 Tribes of Israel, Israelites, Cananites, Yahweh worshipping quasi hebrews etc. Obviously there were no Christians until Christianity came along but then there was a multi-multi-century period where both Jews and Christians occupied Palestine.

Mohammed did not even come on to the scene until waayyyyyyyyyy the frig down the road in the 7th century so there was no Islam in that period so certainly no muslims occupying that area. There were however many Romans so perhaps Italians have a claim, I don't know. Certainly the Romans were there before the muslims.

So, let's examine a statement you made in your post above, to wit:
"The Palestinian fighting encroachment and displacement is a good an analogy to Indian displacement as you're going to find."

That's total bullshit. Not even remotely true. The opposite is the truth. One thousand years ago, and two thousand years ago, Native Americans occupied the Americas. AND Jewish tribes/Hebrew peoples occupied Palestine. That's the analogy that is to be presented. Not an analogy that has muslims as the ancient occupiers.

 

[gwb-trading]

Yes. They tried to intentionally infect the natives with diseased blankets.

Yes... they did. But those attempts to infect people via blankets with smallpox were generally not successful. In fact it was rare - "there’s only one clearly documented instance of a colonial attempt to spread smallpox during the war."

Giving blankets to others that had been used by smallpox victims months prior -- would not spread smallpox from the blankets. Any disease existing on them was inactivated long prior to them being handed over to Native Americans.

 

[userque]

Yes... they did. But those attempts to infect people via blankets with smallpox were generally not successful. In fact it was rare - "there’s only one clearly documented instance of a colonial attempt to spread smallpox during the war."

Giving blankets to others that had been used by smallpox victims months prior -- would not spread smallpox from the blankets. Any disease existing on them was inactivated long prior to them being handed over to Native Americans.

Yes, I know.

It's the thought that counts.

IOW:
"We tried genocide via germs and blankets, but were unsuccessful. But our germs prevailed anyway! ... without the blankets!"

 

[gwb-trading]

Yes, I know.

It's the thought that counts.

IOW:
"We tried genocide via germs and blankets, but were unsuccessful. But our germs prevailed anyway! ... without the blankets!"

Imagine the savings in blanket costs..... that could now be used for bullets.

 

[UsualName]

Yes... they did. But those attempts to infect people via blankets with smallpox were generally not successful. In fact it was rare - "there’s only one clearly documented instance of a colonial attempt to spread smallpox during the war."

Giving blankets to others that had been used by smallpox victims months prior -- would not spread smallpox from the blankets. Any disease existing on them was inactivated long prior to them being handed over to Native Americans.

Only one documented case you say. Interesting. It’s as if the bad parts of history get written out when you write your own history.

Yes. Biological warfare was used throughout the Americas against the natives for centuries. It wasn’t an unknown or unused tactic in the western expansion.

As an aside the first instance of biological warfare was Ghengis Khan launching plague infected corpses into Caffe during a siege in the 1300s.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

As an aside the first instance of biological warfare was Ghengis Khan launching plague infected corpses into Caffe during a siege in the 1300s.

Looks like someone paid their subscription to google for the month.

Pretty much racist too. It is well known that Ghengis Khan was an Asian.

The Biden Administration has Typhoid Mary in its cabinet so that sounds like she might be good with biological warfare. She sure as hell leaves a wave of destruction whereever she goes.

Top Republican senator calls Susan Rice 'the Typhoid Mary of the Obama administration'

https://www.businessinsider.com/tom-cotton-susan-rice-2017-4

 

[Tony Stark]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/biden-scores-70-percent-approval-rating-among-american-jews/