The Idiot-in-Chief will bankrupt us

[jonbig04]

"The most beautiful and most profound experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms - this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness."
( Albert Einstein - The Merging of Spirit and Science)

Also, if you think einstein never had doubts about what God did or was or even existed you haven't read about the cosmological constant.

 

[drjekyllus]

Quote from vhehn:

agnosticism is a cop out. You are conceding you are not competent enough to make a rational analysis based on fact. There is no absolute certainty in this world, yet it is safe to make general assumptions based on proven facts. I know there is no big foot, I know there is not wizards and witches or god, because I put my trust in the concept of verifiable evidence.

First of all the evolution and creationism debate is stupid to begin with. They are attempting to answer different questions.

It is not safe to make general assumptions based on proven facts. General assumptions and proven facts have a funny way being completely false. Look at general assumptions and proven facts of the past. The earth is flat was a provable fact. The earth is the center of the universe was a provable fact. So flat earthers like you, who do not have a skeptical view of the world really box yourselves in and you have no freedom of the mind.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from drjekyllus:

First of all the evolution and creationism debate is stupid to begin with. They are attempting to answer different questions.

It is not safe to make general assumptions based on proven facts. General assumptions and proven facts have a funny way being completely false. Look at general assumptions and proven facts of the past. The earth is flat was a provable fact. The earth is the center of the universe was a provable fact. So flat earthers like you, who do not have a skeptical view of the world really box yourselves in and you have no freedom of the mind.

the flat earth idea was based on a reading of the bible. kind of silly to try and use it to imply the you religious types are open minded.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from jonbig04:

"The most beautiful and most profound experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms - this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness."
( Albert Einstein - The Merging of Spirit and Science)

Also, if you think einstein never had doubts about what God did or was or even existed you haven't read about the cosmological constant.

this seems pretty clear to me. you people are always trying to get famous people on your side after they are dead and cant deny it.
"Einstein described belief in God as "childish superstition" and said Jews were not the chosen people, in a letter to be sold in London this week, an auctioneer said Tuesday."

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from jonbig04:

"The most beautiful and most profound experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms - this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness."
( Albert Einstein - The Merging of Spirit and Science)

That's pretty good. I like it. But read it objectively. It has nothing to do with the existence of, or belief in, a deity. If anything, it supports my earlier point that Einstein was a pantheist who, in his wonderment, essentially referred to nature as god. The "mystical" is the as yet unknown and, therefore, the "sower of all true science," as man endeavors to learn more about the world around him and how it works. And that, to Einstein, was a spiritual thing to which he devoted his life. No argument there.

 

[drjekyllus]

Quote from vhehn:

the flat earth idea was based on a reading of the bible. kind of silly to try and use it to imply the you religious types are open minded.

When it comes to questions universal, human knowledge is minute. We don't know shit in the grand scheme of things, and when you look at from a universal level, who simply ain't all that important. You self rightous libs, really have to get over yourselves. Running around saying that you did a rational analysis of things and figured it out is really arrogant.

 

[jonbig04]

Quote from vhehn:

this seems pretty clear to me. you people are always trying to get famous people on your side after they are dead and cant deny it.
"Einstein described belief in God as "childish superstition" and said Jews were not the chosen people, in a letter to be sold in London this week, an auctioneer said Tuesday."

"you people", Which people? I'm not the one advocating a THEORY. You are the one believing with all your might. You are the one who clings to some form of unproven ideas to fulfill a psychological need. Maybe one day a perfect, all encompassing theory of the universe will be quantified. Until then, I prefer to stand on the sidelines and watch the dogmatists believers (you, Christians, muslims etc) fight it out to no end.

 

[jonbig04]

Quote from Thunderdog:

That's pretty good. I like it. But read it objectively. It has nothing to do with the existence of, or belief in, a deity. If anything, it supports my earlier point that Einstein was a pantheist who, in his wonderment, essentially referred to nature as god. The "mystical" is the as yet unknown and, therefore, the "sower of all true science," as man endeavors to learn more about the world around him and how it works. And that, to Einstein, was a spiritual thing to which he devoted his life. No argument there.

Right, it wasn't mean to prove anything other than what you noted.

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from drjekyllus:

When it comes to questions universal, human knowledge is minute. We don't know shit in the grand scheme of things, and when you look at from a universal level, who simply ain't all that important. You self rightous libs, really have to get over yourselves. Running around saying that you did a rational analysis of things and figured it out is really arrogant.

We may not know much, but it's all we got. Close your mind to your cognitive reasoning capabilities, suspend your critical faculties, and you know even less; you don't move forward.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from drjekyllus:

When it comes to questions universal, human knowledge is minute. We don't know shit in the grand scheme of things, and when you look at from a universal level, who simply ain't all that important. You self rightous libs, really have to get over yourselves. Running around saying that you did a rational analysis of things and figured it out is really arrogant.

Can you imagine the ignorance level of someone who asks you to provide a formal proof for a negative?



Reality is not a belief. We do not take it on faith, it confirms itself whenever we see physics, chemistry, biology etc. working as predicted by their various empirically obtained rules. - Sternwallow