The Herd, Vaccine and Natural Immunity Thread....

jem said:
some of this is T cell immunity... why the fuck do you keep lying about t cells.

  • CD4+ T cells help B cells to produce antibodies and help CD8+ T cells to kill virus-infected cells

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/what-...n-why-immunity-is-about-more-than-antibodies/


CD4+ T helper (Th) cells interact with CD8+ T cells, which drive the cytotoxic response that kills cells infected with the virus. The CD8+ T cells directly recognize viral peptides presented at the surfaces of infected cells, causing apoptosis (a form of programmed cell death) and preventing the virus from spreading further.

Follicular helper T (TFH) cells are a specialized subset of CD4+ T cells that provide help to B cells through both cell-cell interactions and release of cytokines, leading to the production of antibodies by B cells [1]. These neutralizing antibodies can recognize whole viruses and act by blocking the virus from infecting cells.

Alveolar macrophages recognize the neutralized viruses and the apoptotic cells (killed by the CD8+ T cells) and clear them by phagocytosis. This then results in recovery from the viral infection (Figure 1, adapted from [2]).
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"The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine" is a quack organization whose director, Carl Heneghan, and his associates has been pushing all sorts of fringe theories --- including but not limited to:
  • COVID did not originate China
  • There will be no second wave (pushed one month ago as cases, etc. were rising)
  • All the data is wrong and fake.
  • Most of the COVID deaths had nothing to do with COVID.
  • The public is terrorized by COVID 'language'. COVID is nothing more than a government fear campaign.
  • COVID cases are 'flat-lining'
  • Scientist have too much influence on government policies.
The "The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine" is quite the joke.
 
You are so full of shit.. a page ago you tried that shit about a study done by a group you cited previously. You say that about real science. These guys are from Oxford you dipshit and they gave citations to just about all their points.
 
Scientists report COVID-19 reinfection cases, casting doubt on virus immunity
https://knowridge.com/2020/11/scien...ection-cases-casting-doubt-on-virus-immunity/

In a new study, researchers found that COVID-19 patients may experience more severe symptoms the second time they are infected.

The finding confirms it is possible to catch the potentially deadly disease more than once.

(More at above url)

While CDC studies coronavirus’ reinfection phenomenon, this woman has suffered 2 bad bouts
https://chicago.suntimes.com/coronavirus/2020/11/18/21563826/coronavirus-reinfection-phenomenon


 
gwb-trading said:
Scientists report COVID-19 reinfection cases, casting doubt on virus immunity
https://knowridge.com/2020/11/scien...ection-cases-casting-doubt-on-virus-immunity/

In a new study, researchers found that COVID-19 patients may experience more severe symptoms the second time they are infected.

The finding confirms it is possible to catch the potentially deadly disease more than once.

(More at above url)

While CDC studies coronavirus’ reinfection phenomenon, this woman has suffered 2 bad bouts
https://chicago.suntimes.com/coronavirus/2020/11/18/21563826/coronavirus-reinfection-phenomenon
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Why is this a phenomenon? You can catch other respiratory viruses more than once. There is no such thing as immunity to a cold. You can only strengthen the immune system to become more resistant, but eventually everyone gets sick. Waste of time looking for immunity miracles.
 
he said no evidence of a second wave back in Sept but England needs to be vigilant and maybe lockdown during the winter.

by the way this is and excellent interview with a smart enough host and a rational discussion.

 
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jem said:
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Just keep in mind...

"The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine" is a quack organization whose director, Carl Heneghan, and his associates has been pushing all sorts of fringe theories --- including but not limited to:
  • COVID did not originate China
  • There will be no second wave (pushed one month ago as cases, etc. were rising)
  • All the data is wrong and fake.
  • Most of the COVID deaths had nothing to do with COVID.
  • The public is terrorized by COVID 'language'. COVID is nothing more than a government fear campaign.
  • COVID cases are 'flat-lining'
  • Scientist have too much influence on government policies.
The "The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine" is quite the joke.
 
just keep in mind GWBe - Lying is always lying and mispresenting....
I have personal caught him lying about at least 10 important facts related to Covid.
Tsing has caught with maybe a dozen more lies... at least.


gwb-trading said:
Just keep in mind...

"The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine" is a quack organization whose director, Carl Heneghan, and his associates has been pushing all sorts of fringe theories --- including but not limited to:
  • COVID did not originate China
  • There will be no second wave (pushed one month ago as cases, etc. were rising)
  • All the data is wrong and fake.
  • Most of the COVID deaths had nothing to do with COVID.
  • The public is terrorized by COVID 'language'. COVID is nothing more than a government fear campaign.
  • COVID cases are 'flat-lining'
  • Scientist have too much influence on government policies.
The "The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine" is quite the joke.
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jem said:
just keep in mind GWBe - Lying is always lying and mispresenting....
I have personal caught him lying about at least 10 important facts related to Covid.
Tsing has caught with maybe a dozen more lies... at least.
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It's impossible to underestimate you.

If you don't like the documented facts --- then just call someone a liar. Good luck with your COVID "natural herd immunity" fantasies that have nothing to do with reality.

Everything you have pushed in regards to COVID has proven to be completely unscientific, nonfactual and incorrect.
 
That is the thing 90 percent of the time when we challenge you on your wild statements about covid you are wrong or lying.


you were wrong on claiming the science stated immunity only lasting 3 months.
(that was only a limited finding and could not be generalized to everyone.)

just last week you lied repeated about the CDC study and masks.
you lied in post after post.

a month or so ago you lied about how many deaths were recorded on a single day on the Swedish website.

the list of your lies goes on and on.
 
jem said:
That is the thing 90 percent of the time when we challenge you on your wild statements about covid you are wrong or lying.


you were wrong on claiming the science stated immunity only lasting 3 months.
(that was only a limited finding and could not be generalized to everyone.)

just last week you lied repeated about the CDC study and masks.
you lied in post after post.

a month or so ago you lied about how many deaths were recorded on a single day on the Swedish website.

the list of your lies goes on and on.
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There is plenty of evidence now that natural immunity only lasts 2 to 7 months in 80% of COVID cases. Antibodies in the majority of people fade to the point of not providing protection after this time.

The CDC recommends masks.... you pulling up some obscure study from a journal (where anyone an publish) is meaningless.

The Swedish website and article backed-up my claims about the reporting of deaths in Sweden. In fact I provided the full information on their reporting cycle for your clarity.

You couldn't pour water out of a boot if the instructions were on the bottom.

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