The Herd, Vaccine and Natural Immunity Thread....

[jem]

Then why are cases falling faster in London than anywhere else in England?
Why are cases and deaths falling in many countries after easing lockdown?
(which can be very surprising because testing is still going up in many places.)


https://thehill.com/changing-americ...-who-official-says-coronavirus-could-burn-out

The coronavirus could possibly “burn out naturally” before any vaccine becomes widely available, according to the former director of the World Health Organization (WHO) Cancer Programme.

“There is a real chance that the virus will burn out naturally before any vaccine is developed,” Professor Karol Sikora said in a tweet Saturday.

“We are seeing a roughly similar pattern everywhere - I suspect we have more immunity than estimated. We need to keep slowing the virus, but it could be petering out by itself,” he said. “We need to continue to keep our distance and hope the numbers continue to improve.”

As noted in many British articles about this - the reduced number of cases in the U.K. is the happy result due to applying good public health policy

It is solely due to the 60 day lockdown in the U.K. and the phased re-opening. This public health policy is having the desired effect of making the number COVID-19 cases drastically reduced.

Certainly they can go test the vaccination in Brazil which lets everyone run wild with no shutdown --- just as you continually push. Plenty of cases in Brazil and the number is increasing every day.

 

[gwb-trading]

Then why are cases falling faster in London than anywhere else in England?
Why are cases and deaths falling in many countries after easing lockdown?
(which can be very surprising because testing is still going up in many places.)


https://thehill.com/changing-americ...-who-official-says-coronavirus-could-burn-out

The coronavirus could possibly “burn out naturally” before any vaccine becomes widely available, according to the former director of the World Health Organization (WHO) Cancer Programme.

“There is a real chance that the virus will burn out naturally before any vaccine is developed,” Professor Karol Sikora said in a tweet Saturday.

“We are seeing a roughly similar pattern everywhere - I suspect we have more immunity than estimated. We need to keep slowing the virus, but it could be petering out by itself,” he said. “We need to continue to keep our distance and hope the numbers continue to improve.”

"Why are cases and deaths falling in many countries after easing lockdown? "

Because the countries left lockdown once they had adequate testing, contact tracing, a R reduced to 0.8, and limited number of infected people remained in the local population.... and then moved to a phased re-opening.

By following best public health practices of using a lockdown the desired result of falling cases and deaths have occurred. Which is the entire intent of a lockdown.

It would be great if COVID-19 "burned out naturally" like SARS did. But there was nothing natural about the elimination of SARS -- it was due to mitigation and lockdowns in areas where the SARS epidemic broke out.

Unfortunately COVID-19 has spread so widely that it is a global pandemic rather than a localized epidemic. This makes it much harder to eliminate across the face of the earth without a vaccine.

 

[Cuddles]

Sweden didn't stay open for herd immunity, they knew they wouldn't over whelm their hospitals.

4K dead even for a small country is not so bad, specially that half of them were 86 year olds.

Pennsylvania has the same size and dead and they locked down for 2 months.

PA pop density: 284/mi2
SW pop density: 63/mi2

so about 5x worse for staying open

 

[gwb-trading]

PA pop density: 284/mi2
SW pop density: 63/mi2

so about 5x worse for staying open

Gee.... population density in models and in real life.... why does that even matter. Why do people pushing the "no-lcokdown" narrative totally ignore it when pushing their fabricated narrative.

 

[vanzandt]

Sweden didn't stay open for herd immunity, they knew they wouldn't over whelm their hospitals.

4K dead even for a small country is not so bad, specially that half of them were 86 year olds.

Pennsylvania has the same size and dead and they locked down for 2 months.

Look at these idiots. Missouri. The show me state.
Guess they'll show us one way or the other in a week or so.

 

[jem]

Because I talk about Stockholm... not just Sweden... you deceptive bullshiters.
I have asked you why Stockholms deaths are so low...
if your models were correct just everyone in stockholm would have Covid by now.

you and here4dnc are bullshitting bullshitters.

Gee.... population density in models and in real life.... why does that even matter. Why do people pushing the "no-lcokdown" narrative totally ignore it when pushing their fabricated narrative.

 

[Cuddles]

Because I talk about Stockholm... not just Sweden... you deceptive bullshiters.
I have asked you why Stockholms deaths are so low...
if your models were correct just everyone in stockholm would have Covid by now.

you and here4dnc are bullshitting bullshitters.

numbnuts, there's more than one conversation going on in this thread. Don't expect every deranged thought you have to get addressed.

 

[Pekelo]

Look at these idiots.

We actually need those idiots. They will eventually be called an immune work force.

First they are there voluntarily. Second, we need the virus spread, that is how you get herd immunity. According to the CDC, 1/3 of the infected are completely asymptomatic. That is a huge % without any effect on them. Probably another 1/3 have very mild symptoms, and 1/3 plus 1/3 is 66%, aka herd immunity.

Not to mention they are getting sunny vit D, much better than singing in a church and get an infection there for a much older population.

I say, party ON! I raise my red solo cup full of Clorox!!!

 

[Pekelo]

PA pop density: 284/mi2
SW pop density: 63/mi2

Kinda irrelevant since in both states most of the death occurred in retirement homes.

Fact: half of the Swedish dead are 86 y.o. or older. That is 3 years older than their average life expectancy. I call it a good run.

 

[Pekelo]

I figured I would give him feed back, because I believe in improvements...

Because I talk about Stockholm...

If most people like me, nobody reads your posts or should I say, novellas. Once I see it is longer than 3 paragraphs, I just roll to the next post, what is often times the next chapter in your master piece.

If you can't say what you want in 4-5 sentences, I would suggest, don't even try because it won't get through. So personally I have no fucking idea what you have said in this whole thread, just so you know... Maybe I agree with you, maybe I don't, we will never know until you embrace telegram style.