The Herd, Vaccine and Natural Immunity Thread....

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gwb-pharmashill

talk about the data douchebag...
natural immunity tests out to be far superior..

you got a problem with that?

and it showed how the WHO changed definitions... is that true or false?

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LOL -- brownstone.org -- a website filled with COVID conspiracy articles.
 
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gwb-pharmashill

talk about the data douchebag...
natural immunity tests out to be far superior..

you got a problem with that?



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So pushing undocumented stuff from Unherd -- which is notorious for spreading false information.

Why don't you point to the actual claimed source of the information -- so it can be evaluated for scientific validity.
 
I did moron... that data from the study in Israel showed natural immunity to be far superior to vaccine immunity... We just discussed that here a week ago.

do you read...or just go to the shill database and pick a troll response?


So pushing undocumented stuff from Unherd -- which is notorious for spreading false information.

Why don't you point to the actual claimed source of the information -- so it can be evaluated for scientific validity.
 
I did moron... that data from the study in Israel showed natural immunity to be far superior to vaccine immunity... We just discussed that here a week ago.

do you read...or just go to the shill database and pick a troll response?
These Marxists don't want to admit that most of us are not anti vaccine. We are anti mandatory vaccine. Showing people who have died has nothing to do with my pointing that natural immunity is 13 times more effective than any vaccine. If you get the vaccine, that's fine. If you've had Kung Flu and survived as more than 99 percent who have had it have, then you have more immunity than any vaccine. If you've had Kung Flu and had a vaccine then you are even more immune. For some reason, these Marxists look at everything in a binary fashion. It may be because their feeble minds can only handle two scenarios at a time.
 
Close to herd immunity?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...stimates-80-Americans-protected-COVID-19.html
Is the US FINALLY on the verge of herd immunity? CDC study estimates over 80% of Americans are now protected from COVID-19 through vaccination or recovery from the virus
  • About 83% of the U.S. population ages 16 and up has some degree of protection against COVID-19 from vaccination or past infection, the CDC estimates
  • Based on antibody levels in about 1.4 million people's blood samples, researchers estimate that 20% of Americans have immunity from a past case
  • The remainder have been protected by having a Covid vaccine
  • While 80% has previously been cited as a herd immunity goal, experts now say we need more vaccinations and boosters to protect against Delta
  • Still, the study indicates that the U.S. has had many more cases than agencies have reported - possibly more than double the official count
By BETSY LADYZHETS FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

PUBLISHED: 17:03 EDT, 2 September 2021 | UPDATED: 17:25 EDT, 2 September 2021



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About 83 percent of the U.S. population ages 16 and up has some degree of immunity to the coronavirus from vaccination or prior infection, a new Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) study estimates.

Based on antibody levels in about 1.4 million patients' blood samples, CDC researchers estimated that 20 percent of Americans have immunity from prior infection - though the number varies by age and other demographics. The other 60 per cent have received a shot which confers similar immunity.

Experts previously cited 70 to 80 percent protection as a goal for herd immunity, but now many say we need more vaccinations and boosters to protect against the super-contagious Indian 'Delta' variant.









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Still, the study indicates that the U.S. has had a lot more Covid cases than those that have been officially reported - possibly more than double the official count.

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Over 80 percent of Americans over age 16 have some degree of protection against Covid, a new study estimates. Pictured: Vaccination at a high school in Central Falls, Rhode Island, February 2021

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As of May 2021, 20 percent of Americans over age 16 have protection from a prior infection, while an additional 60 percent are protected by vaccination, the researchers estimate

As of September 2.175 million Americans are now fully vaccinated - meaning they're protected against severe illness from Covid.

But millions of others are also protected to some extent, because they recovered from a previous Covid case.

Upon fighting off the coronavirus, a body's immune system will remember how to react to this invader - and will be more prepared for future Covid encounters.

The CDC counts about 39.5 million Americans who have gotten sick with Covid - or, 39.5 million people with some potential degree of immunity.

The true number is likely much higher, however, because many people with mild cases or no cases didn't know to get Covid tested, and thus were never recorded.

A new CDC study - published Thursday in the journal JAMA - suggests that this true number accounts for about 20 percent of Americans over age 16.

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The researchers determined this estimate with a seroprevalence survey - estimating the number of people with antibodies in their blood indicating a past immune response to Covid.

For the survey, the CDC utilized blood donation specimens from all 50 states, Washington D.C., and Puerto Rico.

In total, about 1.4 million blood samples were surveyed. These samples were collected between July 2020 and May 2021.

The researchers included higher numbers of samples from blood donor regions with larger racial/ethnic minority populations, and made other analytical adjustments, attempting to match their final estimates to the demographic makeup of the U.S.

They acknowledged, however, that a perfect matchup wasn't possible - and that other differences between the blood donors included in the study and the overall population likely weren't unaccounted for.

The final estimate: in May 2021, about 20 percent of Americans over age 16 had a prior Covid infection.

That number jumped significantly from July 2020 (3.5 percent) and December 2020 (11.5 percent), indicating that millions of Americans were infected - and gained immunity - during the winter surge.

Combining these estimates with vaccination numbers, the CDC researchers estimated that 83.3 percent of Americans over age 16 had some degree of protection against Covid in May 2021.

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By May 2021, the Midwest and South had higher Covid protection from prior infection (left map), while all parts of the country had significant protection from vaccination (right map)

Protection varies by demographic group. In May 2021, the Midwest and South had higher rates of Covid antibodies from prior infection, compared to other regions - 23.5 percent and 22.2 percent, respectively.

The Midwest and South likely had higher prior infection rates in May because these regions were hit harder in the summer and winter surges.

The Northeast had the highest overall immunity (prior infection plus vaccination), though - 87.2 percent total. The South had the lowest - 80.2 percent.

In a similar pattern, teenagers and young adults (ages 16 to 29) had the highest rates of Covid antibodies from infection - 27 percent in May 2021.

But this group had the lowest overall immunity, a rate of 76.1 percent. Teens and young adults are more likely to have mild Covid cases than their elders - but they're also less likely to get vaccinated.

Seniors (over age 65) had the highest combined immunity rate, at 92 percent. According to CDC data, 82 percent of U.S. seniors are fully vaccinated.

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In some cases, the groups with the highest protection from prior Covid cases were also the groups with lower vaccination rates - leading to lower overall protection

Black and Hispanic/Latino Americans had higher rates of Covid antibodies from infection than other racial and ethnic groups - 30 percent and 21.1 percent, respectively.

Combined immunity rates (prior infection plus vaccination) were highest among Asian and white Americans - 91 percent and 83.8 percent, respectively.

This combined immunity rate was 79.2 percent for black Americans and 81.5 percent for Hispanic/Latino Americans, reflecting lower vaccination rates in these groups.

The CDC's blood sampling study will continue until at least December 2021, and the researchers say they intend to continue publishing data.

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With over 80 percent of Americans potentially protected against Covid, it's easy to jump to the conclusion that the country has attained herd immunity.

After all, President Biden made a 70 percent vaccination rate his national goal.

The Delta variant has changed the game, however. Now, researchers say that 95 percent or more Americans must be protected in order to stall outbreaks.

The CDC researchers note that 'additional research is needed' on the connections between a prior infection and herd immunity.

'Infection-induced protection might wane more quickly than vaccine-induced protection,' they write.

For this reason, experts recommend that Americans get vaccinated even if they had a prior Covid infection.

Still, the study indicates that we have had a lot more Covid cases in the U.S. than those that have been officially reported.

The CDC researchers estimate that, in July 2020, for every Covid case that was reported - two more could be detected by blood tests later.

In May 2021, that number dropped to one additional case for every case that was officially reported.

The number may be higher again now, however, as many vaccinated people are not seeking out tests for mild colds and other symptoms that may indicate a breakthrough Covid case.

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Wow! This woman survived Covid.

She was born during the Ottoman empire.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...y-recovers-from-covid-19-at-116-years-old?amp

A woman from Turkey recovered from the coronavirus at 116 years old, making her the second-oldest person to survive the virus.

The woman's son told the Demiroren news agency on Saturday that Ayse Karatay has been cleared of COVID-19 at Eskisehir City Hospital and has been moved to a normal ward, The Associated Press reported.

"My mother fell ill at the age of 116 and stayed in the intensive care unit for three weeks... Her health is very good now and she's getting better," Ibrahim told the outlet.

It is unclear when exactly Ayse's birthday is, as she was born during the Ottoman Empire, when birth records were not strictly kept, the AP noted.
 
https://www.theepochtimes.com/pfize...e-included-in-policy-discussions_3971383.html

Pfizer Board Member: ‘Natural Immunity’ Against COVID-19 Needs to Be Included in Policy Discussions

Former Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Scott Gottlieb, who is also a Pfizer board member, noted that “natural immunity” gained from a prior COVID-19 infection needs to be included in discussions about virus-related policies and mandates.

The balance of the evidence demonstrates that natural immunity confers a durable protection,” Gottlieb said during an Aug. 30 interview, referring to a landmark new preprint Israeli study that found that prior COVID-19 infection confers more protection against the virus than any of the vaccines. “It’s fair to conclude that.”

Although Gottlieb said he would “be careful” about concluding whether natural immunity provides better protection against transmitting the virus, officials “should start assimilating that into our policy discussions.”

“Natural infection confers robust and durable immunity,” he said, citing the Israeli study and others.

However, whether natural immunity or vaccines are better than one another “isn’t that material” when it comes to policy discussions, Gottlieb said.
 
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