I am afraid that's right, people are wearing masks now when I go out, but I am afraid 3 weeks or so before we see the fruits. We may be wearing masks for years, which is not that big of a deal, asians have been doing it forever at least at the winstar near me. I just can't believe all the whining about them, talk about fucking first world problems.
The Herd, Vaccine and Natural Immunity Thread....
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Whatever needs to be done will be forced upon Americans by the virus whether they are ready for it or not. Personal politics has no say in it this is a survival event and anyone coming out the other side will likely have good opportunities in life especially career ones. The federal debt will get dealt with, might mean higher personal taxes at some point and more bitching and complaining by the Jem's of the world ( the selfish entitled ones ). Take care.
"But antibody levels are only part of the immunity story. While antibodies may wane past the limit of detection, that doesn’t mean they go away entirely. And even a very low level could be protective. “What‘s important when you’ve been exposed to the virus is how quickly you can ramp up those antibodies,” Permar says. That involves a whole army of cells, which store knowledge of each new pathogen they encounter. There are B cells, which help coax those virus-specific antibodies into existence, plus killer T cells, which can learn to obliterate infected cells. Helper T cells help orchestrate the whole process. “You have multiple arms of the immune response,” says Donna Farber, an immunologist at Columbia University who studies respiratory viruses. “It’s like the Army, the Navy, and the Air Force.” If one branch stands down, the body hasn’t necessarily lost its germ-fighting capacity."
https://www.wired.com/story/covid-19-immunity-may-rely-on-a-microscopic-helper-t-cells/
This piece is much closer to good journalism than the crap that GWB likes to post....
It goes over the pros and cons of the potential for antibody immunity and other mechanism of T cells.
In short... herd immunity and even vaccine immunity concepts need more data and bigger studies.
https://www.wired.com/story/covid-19-immunity-may-rely-on-a-microscopic-helper-t-cells/
This piece is much closer to good journalism than the crap that GWB likes to post....
It goes over the pros and cons of the potential for antibody immunity and other mechanism of T cells.
In short... herd immunity and even vaccine immunity concepts need more data and bigger studies.
It can be seen as much less selfish to allow young people to live. What right do you have to fuck up their lives when you don't even have data to say your shutdown is saving overall death and harm?
don't you see how fucking selfish you and your team might be? .
if you are scared... you can hide.
if you are in the high risk group you should lock down and isolate.
if the the young are hardly more sick than the flu and frequently asymptomatic... and not dying at all (statistically speaking) ... why are you imposing lock downs on them... without data showing it is saving overall harm and death?
Can't you understand how selfish and self centered you can be to them?
This is a mirror if you don't understand both sides have merit you are a moron.
Which is why I keep demanding facts and data to support policies.
don't you see how fucking selfish you and your team might be? .
if you are scared... you can hide.
if you are in the high risk group you should lock down and isolate.
if the the young are hardly more sick than the flu and frequently asymptomatic... and not dying at all (statistically speaking) ... why are you imposing lock downs on them... without data showing it is saving overall harm and death?
Can't you understand how selfish and self centered you can be to them?
This is a mirror if you don't understand both sides have merit you are a moron.
Which is why I keep demanding facts and data to support policies.
I posted the data, it is definitive. Stop asking for data if you refuse to accept it. Your whole virus approach screams selfish, you personify it on this board with your posts. I live in Ontario; we've treated our young people as good or better then almost any jurisdiction on the planet during the virus. We are opening up faster then you are now.
Keep your head in the sand I don't care.
The seven day moving average of daily deaths in Canada is 15
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/canada/
The seven day moving average of daily deaths in Sweden is 3
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
I would say right now both countries are doing well right now.
Nobody has the definitive data...
But... I would say that Canada is more likely to be risking a second or new wave than Sweden.
Would you not agree?
(note talking about deaths which happened before Sweden locked down old folks homes has nothing to do with Sweden's current Covid approach. )
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/canada/
The seven day moving average of daily deaths in Sweden is 3
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
I would say right now both countries are doing well right now.
Nobody has the definitive data...
But... I would say that Canada is more likely to be risking a second or new wave than Sweden.
Would you not agree?
(note talking about deaths which happened before Sweden locked down old folks homes has nothing to do with Sweden's current Covid approach. )
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I frequently compare on a per capita basis...
that is the preferred way to do it...
but I felt it unnecessary this time since I said they are both doing well right now.
Last week I wrote this...
that is the preferred way to do it...
but I felt it unnecessary this time since I said they are both doing well right now.
Last week I wrote this...
www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/science-environment-53369103
I miss no drama Llama.
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Scientists from the UK's Rosalind Franklin Institute have used Fifi's specially evolved antibodies to make an immune-boosting therapy.
The resulting llama-based, Covid-specific "antibody cocktail" could enter clinical trials within months.
The development is published in Nature Structural and Molecular Biology .
It involves "engineering" llama antibodies, which are relatively small, and much more simply structured than the antibodies in our own blood. That size and structure means they can be "redesigned" in the lab."
I miss no drama Llama.
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Scientists from the UK's Rosalind Franklin Institute have used Fifi's specially evolved antibodies to make an immune-boosting therapy.
The resulting llama-based, Covid-specific "antibody cocktail" could enter clinical trials within months.
The development is published in Nature Structural and Molecular Biology .
It involves "engineering" llama antibodies, which are relatively small, and much more simply structured than the antibodies in our own blood. That size and structure means they can be "redesigned" in the lab."
We are seeing report after report of people catching COVID-19 for a second time. "Natural Herd Immunity" is a myth. Anyone proposing to just led COVID-19 spread throughout society is an idiot.
'I Got Corona Again:' What this Means for Reinfection & Immunity
https://fit.thequint.com/coronavirus/coronavirus-reinfection-immunity-goes-away-in-months-study
'I Got Corona, Again,' read the Instagram post by a US-based graphic designer. In the post he details how he first tested positive for COVID-19 in March, when from his return from New York, he showed mild symptoms of the disease. What started as a mild cough and low grade fever developed into a cough severe enough to get approval for a test. After a COVID positive result, he was in home quarantine and eventually recovered.
Then in the first week of July, he once again came down with a terrible throat pain followed by fever that refused to go away. He was taken to a hospital where he tested positive for Coronavirus. Three months after his first infection.
(More at above url)
Ex-Harvard Medical School faculty member warns COVID-19 herd immunity is ‘wishful thinking'
Dr. Clay Ackerly says 50-year-old patient was infected again, needed multiple hospital trips
https://www.foxnews.com/health/clay-ackerly-coronavirus-herd-immunity-wishful-thinking
A Washington D.C.-based internist and former Harvard Medical School faculty member has claimed the idea that herd immunity may slow the coronavirus pandemic is "wishful thinking" after a 50-year-old patient was infected for a second time with COVID-19.
"During his first infection, my patient experienced a mild cough and sore throat," Dr. Clay Ackerly explained in an opinion piece for Vox. "His second infection, in contrast, was marked by a high fever, shortness of breath, and hypoxia, resulting in multiple trips to the hospital.
"It is possible, but unlikely, that my patient had a single infection that lasted three months," Dr. Ackerly added. "Some Covid-19 patients (now dubbed 'long haulers') do appear to suffer persistent infections and symptoms.
"My patient, however, cleared his infection — he had two negative PCR tests after his first infection — and felt healthy for nearly six weeks."
(More at above url)
'I Got Corona Again:' What this Means for Reinfection & Immunity
https://fit.thequint.com/coronavirus/coronavirus-reinfection-immunity-goes-away-in-months-study
'I Got Corona, Again,' read the Instagram post by a US-based graphic designer. In the post he details how he first tested positive for COVID-19 in March, when from his return from New York, he showed mild symptoms of the disease. What started as a mild cough and low grade fever developed into a cough severe enough to get approval for a test. After a COVID positive result, he was in home quarantine and eventually recovered.
Then in the first week of July, he once again came down with a terrible throat pain followed by fever that refused to go away. He was taken to a hospital where he tested positive for Coronavirus. Three months after his first infection.
(More at above url)
Ex-Harvard Medical School faculty member warns COVID-19 herd immunity is ‘wishful thinking'
Dr. Clay Ackerly says 50-year-old patient was infected again, needed multiple hospital trips
https://www.foxnews.com/health/clay-ackerly-coronavirus-herd-immunity-wishful-thinking
A Washington D.C.-based internist and former Harvard Medical School faculty member has claimed the idea that herd immunity may slow the coronavirus pandemic is "wishful thinking" after a 50-year-old patient was infected for a second time with COVID-19.
"During his first infection, my patient experienced a mild cough and sore throat," Dr. Clay Ackerly explained in an opinion piece for Vox. "His second infection, in contrast, was marked by a high fever, shortness of breath, and hypoxia, resulting in multiple trips to the hospital.
"It is possible, but unlikely, that my patient had a single infection that lasted three months," Dr. Ackerly added. "Some Covid-19 patients (now dubbed 'long haulers') do appear to suffer persistent infections and symptoms.
"My patient, however, cleared his infection — he had two negative PCR tests after his first infection — and felt healthy for nearly six weeks."
(More at above url)