The Herd, Vaccine and Natural Immunity Thread....
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I scored me a couple genuine 3M N-95 hospital masks beatches. Ahhhhhh.
Fit tight af too. If I'm gonna die... it ain't gonna be because of some bat-eating nasty-ass f'n China virus.
Hey, you racist bastud, that is Kung-Flu™ to you!
rofl!
I have given you the useful insight, work the problem of practical implementation with keeping the high-risk safe (elderly, pre-existing) from the wild spreading low risk.
Sweden tried back then, those few months ago, far too many died and they were in a good position to succeed. Their plan was to protect the high risk and it failed because weak links show up under real world implementation. More time, a lockdown, was needed to drill and inspect.
There were other pressing concerns at the time not the least the more infected the more mutations and the risk of broadening the range of vulnerable and overwhelming your system.
Lockdown gave time to acquire an edge, not just gamble like a noob trader with all screen time and no real effort at risk management.
In one to two years time we will know why SF was so different to NYC and whether it stayed that way etc. Right now all I see is daft republicans doing what they love to do namely call results and claim the laurels before the race has barely begun.
Work the implementation problem as was faced at the time.
Sweden tried back then, those few months ago, far too many died and they were in a good position to succeed. Their plan was to protect the high risk and it failed because weak links show up under real world implementation. More time, a lockdown, was needed to drill and inspect.
There were other pressing concerns at the time not the least the more infected the more mutations and the risk of broadening the range of vulnerable and overwhelming your system.
Lockdown gave time to acquire an edge, not just gamble like a noob trader with all screen time and no real effort at risk management.
In one to two years time we will know why SF was so different to NYC and whether it stayed that way etc. Right now all I see is daft republicans doing what they love to do namely call results and claim the laurels before the race has barely begun.
Work the implementation problem as was faced at the time.
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Your argument is amorphous. Almost fact and science free.
43 percent of deaths from Covid in the US were in Nursing homes and we had lockdown.
If your response is that... well a great many of those those deaths were caused from infections that got in the Nursing homes early... before the lockdown plan had a chance to work... The same holds true for Sweden. Sweden eventually locked them down and you can see in the data it must have helped because their daily deaths have trended down for 60 days.
The rest of your argument... is just a new way to say the same thing.
You have no idea if the lock down of the low risk is saving overall harm... but you are afraid there could be harm so you favor lockdown.
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43 percent of deaths from Covid in the US were in Nursing homes and we had lockdown.
If your response is that... well a great many of those those deaths were caused from infections that got in the Nursing homes early... before the lockdown plan had a chance to work... The same holds true for Sweden. Sweden eventually locked them down and you can see in the data it must have helped because their daily deaths have trended down for 60 days.
The rest of your argument... is just a new way to say the same thing.
You have no idea if the lock down of the low risk is saving overall harm... but you are afraid there could be harm so you favor lockdown.
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I said work the problem. You are doing your black hole BS as usual.
Three weeks of lockdown was not enough time to do any justice to protection of the elderly and believed pre-existing vulnerable, located every fucking where, from the wild spreading of virus in the general population.
The bare essentials were not in place. Material, training, logistics, intelligence.. It would have been far worse both in the care homes and also for the elderly and otherwise vulnerable in the general population.
I assure you had you worked on very large projects your would see three weeks from where things were from the initial lockdown was impossible.
Your argument from authority via Prado could be correct but only in vitro not vivo.
"If we had ham we could have ham and eggs! If we had any eggs..." That is something you hear from project managers putting the brakes on customers who have not provided the project's must have necessaries.
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This get back to reflecting on the 5 points for re-opening. In order to re-open there are criteria that must be met:
- Adequate test kits and testing is available
- Proper Contact Tracing is in place.
- The effective infection rate is below 0.8
- The number of infections in a community is reduced to a minimal level.
- The trend of cases, deaths, and hospitalizations are declining for a 14 day period.
While theorists like Prado may present accelerated timeline theories; the practical reality in the communities for effective control of a very infectious disease is very different.
This is exactly what I was calling Shutdown forever.
See how the goalposts move.
First it was about hospital beds.
Then it becomes about the RO or something else.
Then a few month later it becomes about the infection rate being .8 but they get to change how the "effective infection rate" definition may change or which population you are looking at.
And then they include non objective statements like
"minimal level"
hence... shutdown forever arguments
See how the goalposts move.
First it was about hospital beds.
Then it becomes about the RO or something else.
Then a few month later it becomes about the infection rate being .8 but they get to change how the "effective infection rate" definition may change or which population you are looking at.
And then they include non objective statements like
"minimal level"
hence... shutdown forever arguments
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The 5 points of why a shutdown is required are very clear. I posted them months ago with supporting information from health authorities. The goal posts were never moved.
Let's review the 5 points of why a lock-down period is necessary again:
1) To prevent the overloading of hospital resources - where the number of COVID-19 patients is greater than capacity to treat them.
2) To provide time to obtain the necessary number of COVID-19 test kits and get a testing process in place to meet the necessary capacity for re-opening.
3) To get proper Contact Tracing in place for COVID-19 prior to re-opening. This includes getting the necessary systems in place and getting people hired for the positions.
4) To reduce the effective infection rate (R) to below 0.8 in a community before opening.
5) To reduce the total number of infections in the community to reduce the number of vector starting points when re-opening that must be traced and quarantined.
Since you refused to give us a link to your 5 salon.com points (or wherever you found them) I did a search as you requested.
It looks like you first posted them in mid May.
Do you have a link to your first post about your 5 shutdown forever points?
It looks like you first posted them in mid May.
Do you have a link to your first post about your 5 shutdown forever points?
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