The Great Global Warming Swindle

[gwb-trading]

Quote from futurecurrents:

Bullshit AUTHOR of ARTICLE... NOT STUDY Who the hell is this guy Contributed by Chriss Street. Specialist in corporate reorganizations and turnarounds,interepting it? A bullshit lying distorting denier.

I'll wait for a comment on the study from a real scientist, not a hack.


But without really carefully looking at it I can say so what. It has nothing to do with the relative rise in temps over the last hundred years which can only be fully explained if one includes the effects of CO2. We've had actual thermometers for hundreds of years and they show the temps going up with CO2. Fast.

The article pretty much just provides quotes from the author of the study and a reference to it at Nature. If you are calling the article bullshit then you are calling Nature bullshit in this case. The study is wriiten by Jan Esper of the Department of Geography at Johannes Gutenberg University along with 11 co-authors. Why don't you write him and tell him he is not a real scientist? While you are at it tell him that his following statements are bullshit.

“We found that previous estimates of historical temperatures during the Roman era and the Middle Ages were too low” … “Such findings are also significant with regard to climate policy, as they will influence the way today’s climate changes are seen in context of historical warm periods.”

This figure we calculated may not seem particularly significant. However, it is also not negligible when compared to global warming, which up to now has been less than 1°C. Our results suggest that the large-scale climate reconstruction shown by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) likely underestimate this long-term cooling trend over the past few millennia.

 

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Quote from futurecurrents:

No chance of that or for that matter the next ice age which depends on the subtle difference in albedo from the ice. The ice is rapidly on it's way out. In fact the iceage cycles show how delicate the whole feedback system.

Ice is rapidly on its way out? Call the Antarctic research stations immediately and tell them this!

Their instruments showing that ice is increasing on over 98% of the land mass must be wrong!

 

[futurecurrents]

What I thought. Just another example of denier crap science. Grabbed onto by intellectually challenged and dishonest deniers as proof for their ideologically based delusions.

" these are summer temperatures, compiled with only one kind of source, reflecting changes in one corner of Europe. What kind of conclusions can really be drawn from such data? Multi-season reconstructions compiled with multiple paleoclimatological sources and historical (documentary) evidence are available for many regions in Europe and record climatic fluctuations over the past millennium, but different regions - China, for example - have different climatic histories. "

http://www.historicalclimatology.com/does-tree-ring-data-reflect-global-cooling.html

 

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Ice is rapidly on its way out? Call the Antarctic research stations immediately and tell them this!

Their instruments showing that ice is increasing on over 98% of the land mass must be wrong!

As a whole all the earth's ice is rapidly melting dipstick.

 

[jem]

Quote from futurecurrents:

Nuclear is our best option at this point. Continuing as we are with FF will lead to certain catastrophe for the biosphere and mankind. A runaway GW could kill half the species and people on earth. The fear of nuclear is mostly irrational.

do you ever back up your statements with anything remotely relative to your assertions?

 

[futurecurrents]

As is the Antarctic..

Figure 2: Estimates of Total Antarctic Land Ice Changes and approximate sea level contributions using many different measurement techniques. Adapted from The Copenhagen Diagnosis. (CH= Chen et al. 2006, WH= Wingham et al. 2006, R= Rignot et al. 2008b, CZ= Cazenave et al. 2009 and V=Velicogna 2009)

Estimates of recent changes in Antarctic land ice (Figure 2) range from losing 100 Gt/year to over 300 Gt/year. Because 360 Gt/year represents an annual sea level rise of 1 mm/year, recent estimates indicate a contribution of between 0.27 mm/year and 0.83 mm/year coming from Antarctica. There is of course uncertainty in the estimations methods but multiple different types of measurement techniques (explained here) all show the same thing, Antarctica is losing land ice as a whole, and these losses are accelerating quickly.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/antarctica-gaining-ice.htm

Whack a mole whack

 

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As a whole all the earth's ice is rapidly melting dipstick.

The earth's ice is only melting in the Northern Hemisphere. It is increasing in the Southern Hemisphere.

From an overall picture, the ice across the planet is not rapidly increasing or decreasing. We had a decade with some minor overall increase in planet wide melting... but we also had two decades the 60s and 70s with an overall increase in ice, which of course led to the next ice age panic back then.

So FC were you alive and watching the news in the 70s?

 

[jem]

wow so you discount a great study of tree ring data which was published in nature... not realizing tree ring data points are used in most of the AGW nutters graphs.

I have a question would you expect a study of trees which fell into a lake in finland to measure temperature in California.

you realize temperature data comes from local sources... right?
you should be calling out your own preferred data as well.

Quote from futurecurrents:

What I thought. Just another example of denier crap science. Grabbed onto by intellectually challenged and dishonest deniers as proof for their ideologically based delusions.

" these are summer temperatures, compiled with only one kind of source, reflecting changes in one corner of Europe. What kind of conclusions can really be drawn from such data? Multi-season reconstructions compiled with multiple paleoclimatological sources and historical (documentary) evidence are available for many regions in Europe and record climatic fluctuations over the past millennium, but different regions - China, for example - have different climatic histories. "

http://www.historicalclimatology.com/does-tree-ring-data-reflect-global-cooling.html

 

[gwb-trading]

Let's just post nonsense that comes from pro-global warming website funded by Al Gore & friends. Of course their conclusions about Antarctic ice go against all the known data.

Thanks - I will get my data and charts from an independent climate site focused on data distribution such as http://www.climate4you.com/

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As is the Antarctic..

Figure 2: Estimates of Total Antarctic Land Ice Changes and approximate sea level contributions using many different measurement techniques. Adapted from The Copenhagen Diagnosis. (CH= Chen et al. 2006, WH= Wingham et al. 2006, R= Rignot et al. 2008b, CZ= Cazenave et al. 2009 and V=Velicogna 2009)

Estimates of recent changes in Antarctic land ice (Figure 2) range from losing 100 Gt/year to over 300 Gt/year. Because 360 Gt/year represents an annual sea level rise of 1 mm/year, recent estimates indicate a contribution of between 0.27 mm/year and 0.83 mm/year coming from Antarctica. There is of course uncertainty in the estimations methods but multiple different types of measurement techniques (explained here) all show the same thing, Antarctica is losing land ice as a whole, and these losses are accelerating quickly.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/antarctica-gaining-ice.htm

Whack a mole whack

 

[futurecurrents]

Quote from gwb-trading:

The earth's ice is only melting in the Northern Hemisphere. It is increasing in the Southern Hemisphere.

From an overall picture, the ice across the planet is not rapidly increasing or decreasing. We had a decade with some minor overall increase in planet wide melting... but we also had two decades the 60s and 70s with an overall increase in ice, which of course led to the next ice age panic back then.

So FC were you alive and watching the news in the 70s?

Total and utter bullshit. Where do you find such bullshit?
Oh wait, I know, bullshit denier websites that cater to denier morons. That's where.