The Global Warming Hoax is falling apart

Haroki · Jun 30, 2009

Quote from bigdavediode:

Feenix, would you like to address AAA's contention that NASA doesn't understand science?

They understand science fine.

That's why they publicly declared Hansen's findings to be a crock of shit.

Hansen isn't NASA.

bigdavediode · Jun 30, 2009

Quote from Haroki:

1- what damage? Another .8C warming? That's less than the error range Dave. Do you know the significance of that?

You're claiming that ground level temperature sensors have an error range of 0.8 degrees Celsius?

Sorry, no.

2- IOW, you don't know why you threw that out there in the first place....

3- yes, CO2 increases the retention of long wave radiation. That's not in dispute. But it's insignificant compared to the effects of water vapor and clouds. And OUR changes in total CO2 is insignificant to the total CO2 levels. Our contribution is estimated at next to nothing.

Actually human contributions are on target to double CO2 concentrations.

Estimates are that we're producing about 27 billion tons of CO2 per year.

Picture how little CO2 weighs, and how much space one ton would take up.

4- now you're agreeing with me that wv is THE significant cause of GW? And that you admit that to answer that the solar cycle to be at a minimum "right now" is foolish cuz we're talking longer term?

There is no climate model or climate textbook that does not discuss the role water vapor plays in the Greenhouse Effect. It is the strongest Greenhouse gas,contributing 36% - 66% to the overall effect for vapor alone, 66% to 85% when you include clouds. It is however, not considered as a climate "forcing" because the amount of H2O in the air basically varies as a function of temperature. If you artificially increase the level of H2O in the air, it rains out immediately

5- so then you admit that you have no idea what the main objections to MMGW is? This is the crux of our disagreement, and you admit here that you have no idea why we say what we say. I know what the believers in MMGW say, why aren't you at least a little bit familiar with the position that someone who disagrees with you has to say? The lack of skepticism on your part is staggering....

I think I've addressed every single objection so far, from quoting 95 year old men with dementia, to quoting astrophysicists about climate, I've addressed each one point by point.

bigdavediode · Jun 30, 2009

Quote from Haroki:

You've never traded a stock in your entire life, have you Dave?

You're half right, I don't trade stocks.

bigdavediode · Jun 30, 2009

Quote from Haroki:

They understand science fine.

That's why they publicly declared Hansen's findings to be a crock of shit.

Hansen isn't NASA.

Hansen must be very powerful to manipulate global temperature readings.

Haroki · Jun 30, 2009

Quote from bigdavediode:

It is the strongest Greenhouse gas,contributing 36% - 66% to the overall effect for vapor alone, 66% to 85% when you include clouds. It is however, not considered as a climate "forcing" because the amount of H2O in the air basically varies as a function of temperature. If you artificially increase the level of H2O in the air, it rains out immediately

I've read this passage just the other day. Word for word. Exactly the same.

You've copy/pasted it.

You're a fraud, Dave.

Haroki · Jun 30, 2009

Quote from bigdavediode:

You're half right, I don't trade stocks.

Baseball cards then, right?

Cuz if you don't see a downtrend there, you're a failure.

bigdavediode · Jun 30, 2009

Quote from Haroki:

I've read this passage just the other day. Word for word. Exactly the same.

You've copy/pasted it.

You're a fraud, Dave.

Can you refute it?

Haroki · Jun 30, 2009

Quote from bigdavediode:

Hansen must be very powerful to manipulate global temperature readings.

No, he's a joke.

NASA confirmed it by declaring his findings a load of crap.

You agree that NASA said he was full of it, right?

Haroki · Jun 30, 2009

Quote from bigdavediode:

Can you refute it?

So you admit that you're a fraud, and that in order to have responded that quickly, you have a whole list of stock answers ready to copy/paste?

Face it Dave, you've destroyed your credibility yet again.

Useful idiot indeed.

bigdavediode · Jun 30, 2009

Quote from Haroki:

Baseball cards then, right?

Cuz if you don't see a downtrend there, you're a failure.

A "downtrend?" In changes in temperature?

You understand that it's not a graph of absolute temperature, but how high above average each year was.

A trend from "hotter than hell" to "hotter than average" is not "cooling."