The Global Warming Hoax is falling apart

[drjekyllus]

Quote from bigdavediode:

Please list them so that everyone can see how many are climatologists.

http://www.energypublisher.com/article.asp?idarticle=18798

"Data show that the Earth cooled last year rather than warmed, following a trend that began in 2000, and in light of this evidence much of the doomsday talk has quieted down. However, while activists still cling to their flawed theory, they have replaced the term “global warming” with “climate change,” using the same theory to now account for any change that occurs, warming or cooling.

Scientists do not speak with one voice on this issue. Ivar Giaever is a Nobel Laureate in Physics, and is one of 650 dissenting scientists who argued against this theory at the United Nations global warming conference in Poland last December. “I am a skeptic,” he said. “Global warming has become a new religion.”

Other opponents have made similar comments, like former NASA official, atmospheric scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, who declared, “Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly … As a scientist I remain skeptical.” Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires commented that, “The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.” Colorado State University hurricane expert William Gray was more direct, calling global warming “a big scam.” "

 

[drjekyllus]

Quote from bigdavediode:

It is. You can see the trend here:

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/

How many times will the MMGW cult try this logically flawed argument? Simply posting a graph that shows an increase in temp proves NOTHING. As stated many times, the temp is not static. It changes. The temp has been increasing for the last 10,000-15,000 years. We aren't responsible for that.

 

[Haroki]

Quote from bigdavediode:

Please cite the 550 ppm measurement so that I can address it. Secondly, please understand that ice cores correlate with other measures of atmospheric CO2 measures, such as walking outside and measuring it and is not the sole methodology used.



There are a multitude of ways that we know that the Earth is warming:

* Satellite Data
* Radiosondes
* Borehole analysis
* Glacial melt observations
* Sea ice melt
* Sea level rise
* Proxy Reconstructions
* Permafrost melt

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5541587027584542167


It's all covered there, and why you should be skeptical.

 

[drjekyllus]

Quote from bigdavediode:

Two years is not a sufficient sample size. Additionally, here's a link showing the Atlantic temperature measurements:

http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/dsdt/cwtg/catl.html

Well then what is a sufficient sample size? Most of the MMGW cultist refer to that last 50 years and try to draw conclusions based on that. Is 50 years a sufficient sample size? The Earth is 4.5 billion years old, 50 years is a mere blip. Just by eyeballing the Vostok data it appears each major cycle runs about 100,000 years . 50 years of data is not even significant in that time frame.

 

[dsq]

Quote from drjekyllus:

... The Earth is 4.5 billion years old, 50 years is a mere blip. Just by eyeballing the Vostok data it appears each major cycle runs about 100,000 years . 50 years of data is not even significant in that time frame.

Really?Sarah Palin the conservative GOP leader/god says earth is only 4000yrs old.Are you dissenting from your leader?You damned traitor.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Quote from bigdavediode:

Predictions? "in 1988, James Hansen of NASA GISS fame predicted that the temperature would climb over the next 12 years, with a possible brief episode of cooling in the event of a large volcanic eruption. ...

"12 years later, he was proven remarkably correct, requiring an adjustment only for the timing difference between the simulated future volcanic eruption and the actual eruption of Mount Pinatubo."

I honestly don't have time to correct all the misinformation you spread around. Hansen's projections were dead wrong. His data were shown to be erroneous. His models are deeply flawed. I documented all this many pages earlier. His own boss at NASA ridiculed him.

Hansen is a nutcase. He calls energy company CEOs enemies of mankind. Is that a scientific approach or is it Michael Moore-style political attacks?

 

[Haroki]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

I honestly don't have time to correct all the misinformation you spread around. Hansen's projections were dead wrong. His data were shown to be erroneous. His models are deeply flawed. I documented all this many pages earlier. His own boss at NASA ridiculed him.

Hansen is a nutcase. He calls energy company CEOs enemies of mankind. Is that a scientific approach or is it Michael Moore-style political attacks?

It's all politically driven.

Republicans have terrorism as their "biggest enemy".

Democrats have global warming.

Stalin had perfect description for those that belive all the MMGW crap without any skepticism at all - useful idiots....

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Quote from Haroki:

It's all politically driven.

Republicans have terrorism as their "biggest enemy".

Democrats have global warming.

Stalin had perfect description for those that belive all the MMGW crap without any skepticism at all - useful idiots....

No doubt republicans used the terrorism issue to their advantage, but at least terrorism was a fact. Airplanes did fly into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon. Thousands died.

Democrats want to add massive increases to energy and utility costs on the basis of some theories that have never been proven. Moreover, it is perfectly obvious that these massive expenses will have absolutely no measurable effect on global warming. It is all to make some nuts feel good.

 

[IShopAtPublix]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

No doubt republicans used the terrorism issue to their advantage, but at least terrorism was a fact. Airplanes did fly into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon. Thousands died.

Democrats want to add massive increases to energy and utility costs on the basis of some theories that have never been proven. Moreover, it is perfectly obvious that these massive expenses will have absolutely no measurable effect on global warming. It is all to make some nuts feel good.

Let me ask you this question: Do you continue to use your computer and believe in the existence of the solar systems knowing full well that people used to believe the earth was flat?

Why did I ask this weird question? Frequently a bunch of numbnuts parade around here and cite how scientists were concerned about global COOLING in the 1970s as "proof" that global warming is a hoax.

Just because scientists were wrong about something at one time, does not mean they are wrong now. Science is a continuous learning process that is self-correcting. I use my computer knowing full well that at one time ideas of scientists concerning aviation, electricity and even gravity were highly demented. Also, doctors used to bleed people to "cure" them. That does not mean medicine is a fraud.

A lot has changed since the 70s. The world consumes a lot more fossil fuels and there are a lot more people living on the planet. More cars, more stuff, less forests to absorb it.

Polar caps are melting this is an indisputable fact. It is not that Earth is heating up that is troubling it is the RATE at which it occurs. Processes that should take thousands of years take a lot less.

If you believe "the conservative" point of view, all the scientists who believe in man made global warming are a bunch of tree hugging lunatics who got into a frenzied state and decided to brainwash the world(as opposed to "honest" scientists working for good folks at exxon mobil who are trying to set us straight).

What is more believable(and what actually is true) is that certain groups of people have a vested interest in making sure the world cranks out and consumes as much stuff as possible. And fox news/talk radio being the conduit of big business puts those ideas into the heads of simpletons.

If you are an industrialist cranking stuff out in china or exxon mobil you don't give a shit about polluting or global warming you need the gravy train to move forward.

 

[FeenixRizin]

Pretty good info:


http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/news.php


Dr. Leonard Weinstein worked 45 years at the NASA Langley Research Center, finishing his career there as a Senior Research Scientist. Dr. Weinstein is presently a Senior Research Fellow at the National Institute of Aerospace. He is now a critic of the anthropogenic theory of global warming. His analysis shows that man has contributed less than 0.30C of warming and by the year 2100 may contribute less than 0.40C additional warming. This is much less than what the United Nations IPCC has predicted and of course a small fraction of what alarmists such as Al Gore and James Hansen have predicted.