The Global Warming Hoax is falling apart

Quote from Haroki:



If the present CO2 levels are higher than ever before, then why aren't temps ALSO the highest they've ever been, if CO2 is the "major factor" in global warming?

'warming'...you dont understand what that means do you?...if the warming continues we might reach some of those records temps...the current temps are good enough however in achieving non sustainability going forward...look at the droughts and melting ice....whatever,you conservative twerps will continue espousing gw is a hoax and a conspiracy against free markets.Morons.
 
Quote from traderNik:

So which is it? Science should be trusted to provide actionable theories, or it shouldn't? Every time there's scientific evidence provided for GW, you guys are hysterically screaming that it's 'pseudoscience'. Conveniently, when scientific results tend to support your denials, you're all over them.

CO2 emissions need to be reduced. We need to find alternatives to fossil fuels. That's the bottom line fact.

The MMGW hypothesis is what we refer to as 'junk science'. I call it a hypothesis because it has not reached the baseline required to be considered a theory. The model put forth has made predictions and those predictions have failed. When your model makes false predictions you have to abandon your model and look elsewhere. This is not happening with the GW crowd. They continue their politically driven quest to use GW to crush the US economy and place restrictions on our everyday lives. Its that simple.
 
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

This whole debate would be hilarious if it wasn't so serious. The most famous global warming alarmist, James Hansen, is a fraud and a bit of a nutjob. He testified in the uK that the heads of major energy companies should be prosecuted as enemies of mankind or some such nonsense. That is the guy who basically invented this whole fraud, whch was them picked up by Al Gore who saw a convenient hobby horse to ride. Since the science is woefully inadequate to support Hansen's outlandish predictions, they hit on this notion of claiming a "consensus" of scientists support it and anyone who objects is the equivalent of a nazi. Of course, as outlined in this thread and elsewhere, many prominent scientists either dismiss Hansen's predictions out of hand or point out that his work does not support his conclusions.

This is a two point exercise. Point one is for govenrment to get control of a vast area of the economy, eg manufacturing, energy and utilities. That goal will soon be complete, and you will begin to notice the effect in your utility bills, as they double and triple. Watch for liberasl to angrily denounce greedy utility companies and insist on price controls. Point two is to bind us in international agreements regulating emission of greenhouse gases. This will transfer control of the US economy to the "international community" and is the endgame for the faile dNorth-South dialogue of some 30 years ago. The object then, as now, is to transfer money from taxpyers of the US to rich elites in third world countries, all of course unde th4e guise of fairness, equality, socialjustice, saving the planet and whatever other bromides they can find. This is a longtime gola of obama, who also backs legislation requiring a vast expansion of US foreign aid.

It's interesting that there has been a near total media blackout on the fact that the House is voting on this far-reaching bill Friday. Democrats know that voters will be apoplectic with anger when they realize what has happened, and they do not want to risk an uprising before the votes are safely in hand.

As for the science, consider that these are the same people who have objected for decades to missile defense on the grounds that it couldn't possibly work. Well, it does work and we're mighty lucky that Reagan blew them off.


thank god, and the founding fathers, we have elections every 2 years


even the ignorant know when they've been taken.


all this idiocy can be undone
 
Quote from drjekyllus:
The model put forth has made predictions and those predictions have failed. When your model makes false predictions you have to abandon your model and look elsewhere.
Quick piece of advice for you. Don't go to your local University Sciences department and start in on this line. You'll quickly get laughed off the grounds. I'm not going to bother correcting your misunderstanding of the empirical method or the philosophy of science. Over the years, I've learned that it's a waste of my time. I've read some of your other posts and although I'm sorry to say it to you, this post tends to support my own (admittedly unscientific) pet theory that the farther right one travels along the political spectrum, the lower the mean IQ of the extremists you'll find out there.
 
Quote from dsq:

'warming'...you dont understand what that means do you?...if the warming continues we might reach some of those records temps...

So where's the causation then?

If CO2 causes warming, why is it not the warmest on record today? It's been going on for 150 yrs.

As another poster on your side of the srgument pointed out, CO2 absorbs long wave IR reflection from the earth. There shouldn't be a lag.

How do you know that the temp measurements are accurately given to you by somebody looking for grant money?

Why do you believe a politican when he says that global warming is our biggest enemy? Do you trust politicans when they are bolstered by scientists looking for grant money?

Why did the cooling period from 1940-1980 get deleted from Al Gore's movie to make the infamous and now discredited "hockey stick" model, and then used by all the climatologists in favor of the whole global warming hypothesis?

Where is the mideval warming period on that graph?

Where is the Little Ice Age on that graph?

Also, how do you know that the ice core readings from Antartica or Vostok are equivalent to latter day measurements for CO2 that use air flask measurements from Mauna Loa?

Why not use the air flask measurements from the 1800's?

Why do you discredit solar activity as the main driver of global warming? It happens every year - spring, summer, fall, winter...
 
Quote from traderNik:

Quick piece of advice for you. Don't go to your local University Sciences department and start in on this line. You'll quickly get laughed off the grounds. I'm not going to bother correcting your misunderstanding of the empirical method or the philosophy of science. Over the years, I've learned that it's a waste of my time. I've read some of your other posts and although I'm sorry to say it to you, this post tends to support my own (admittedly unscientific) pet theory that the farther right one travels along the political spectrum, the lower the mean IQ of the extremists you'll find out there.


are you suggesting he has a lower IQ then the mean?


I've offered you this advice in the past ... MAKE SOME GOD DAMN SENSE WHEN YOU POST
 
Quote from traderNik:

Don't go to your local University Sciences department and start in on this line. You'll quickly get laughed off the grounds.

Why do you think that?

There are 6 Nobel Laureate scientists that disagree with the whole global warming hypothesis.

Or do you think that Universities are above bending to political winds?

Are you that naive?
 
Quote from Haroki:

Why do you think that?

There are 6 Nobel Laureate scientists that disagree with the whole global warming hypothesis.

Or do you think that Universities are above bending to political winds?

Are you that naive?
Take it easy. If you want to know about my views re: global warming, read my posts. The post you're quoting has nothing to do with GW itself, it has to do with the erroneous take on the scientific method described by the member I quoted, and the fact that the far right tends to disdain scientific evidence, except when it supports their theories. The reference to University profs wasn't an appeal to their authority on GW, it was a warning that if you go to them and suggest that scientific modelling is the process of constructing a model, finding problems with it and then throwing it away, you'll get laughed off the grounds. It was a response to this ill-informed statement by the member I quoted
Quote from drjekyllus:
When your model makes false predictions you have to abandon your model and look elsewhere.
That's not how science works.

I am well aware of the problems with the GW theories. In addition, I have a better understanding than you of the extent to which our Universities have been hamstrung by PC thinking.

Your post sort of exemplifies the concept of 'knee-jerk'. I've read your posts over the years and you didn't strike me as that type. Maybe you're just having a bad day today.
 
Quote from traderNik:

and the fact that the far right tends to disdain scientific evidence, except when it supports their theories.

I already know your views about GW.

It's just that your post didn't make much sense, and here's why-

1a- you're aware of the failings of the GW crowd, and as you put it, their bending to PC views. GW is a pet theory of the far left.

1b- so then the left doesn't heed scientific evidence.

2a- the far right - religious nuts - do just as you said, they ignore scientific evidence.

2b- But only the far right get selected out as ignoring scientific evidence.


Why, when your own beliefs indicate that the far left is equally guilty, especially when this thread is specifically about GW?
 
Quote from traderNik:

Quick piece of advice for you. Don't go to your local University Sciences department and start in on this line. You'll quickly get laughed off the grounds. I'm not going to bother correcting your misunderstanding of the empirical method or the philosophy of science. Over the years, I've learned that it's a waste of my time. I've read some of your other posts and although I'm sorry to say it to you, this post tends to support my own (admittedly unscientific) pet theory that the farther right one travels along the political spectrum, the lower the mean IQ of the extremists you'll find out there.

Quote from FeenixRizin:

are you suggesting he has a lower IQ then the mean?


I've offered you this advice in the past ... MAKE SOME GOD DAMN SENSE WHEN YOU POST

You need to take a course in reading comprehension. His statement made perfect sense.
 
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