LOL. RealClimate is not affiliated with any environmental groups, they just happen to have web hosting done by one, but those matters are completely unrelated. I wonder what happens if RealClimate.org starts posting data that EMS does not like. I see how this game is played.
The Global Warming Hoax is falling apart
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LOL. RealClimate is not affiliated with any environmental groups, they just happen to have web hosting done by one, but those matters are completely unrelated. I wonder what happens if RealClimate.org starts posting data that EMS does not like. I see how this game is played.
So the temperature magically rose during the initial period, that is one explanation.
The HADCRUT3 data is land-based not satellite based like the UAH MSU LT chart. You don't even know what you are talking about.
http://i41.tinypic.com/34ryski.jpg
Water Vapor may only stay in the atmosphere for 9 days, though the total that goes though the Water Cycle is 220 trillion cubic meters (in metric tons) over year so over 100 years that is equal to 22 quadrillion cubic meters. Which will have absorbed and released 600 times the energy that CO2 does over the same period of time.
You still have not explained the negative feedback.
There have been periods with much higher levels of CO2 in the past, yet life on earth was even more abundant.
It has been stated countless times on this thread that current warming trend spans the last 10,000 to 15,000 years. There is NO dispute over that. Simply showing a warming trend, in no way, proves or confirms MMGW since the overwhelming majority of the warming occured before the burning of fossil fuels. How many times and you going to try this same flawed argument? It might fool the uninformed but anyone who had done any research on the topic can see right through it. Do you have something better?
I have a website hosted by a company and my wife is the only person I'm affiliated with.
Absolutely nothing unless it violates their TOS policies, such as if realclimate started producing child porn (which would be a rather odd departure for realclimate.)
I don't think you do.
So out of all possible web hosts Realclimate incidentally chose EMS?
EMS is founded by the former communications director for Al Gore's 2000 Presidential campaign Arlie Schardt.
Al Gore pushes his emissions trading business, which does not even change the overall CO2 output.
EMS is founded by the former communications director for Al Gore's 2000 Presidential campaign Arlie Schardt.
Al Gore pushes his emissions trading business, which does not even change the overall CO2 output.
I thought the temperature didn't agree with me?
Here's the temperature graph, please show me the previous warming trend to which you're referring:
<img src="http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2.gif"> </img>
Doesn't matter, your attack is an ad hominem attack based on the accusation of quid pro quo. Unfortunately you haven't shown quid pro quo. Additionally ad homs are invalid to addressing the point, which is the argument itself, not the person or the website.
So you've attempted to impugn the integrity of a website without factual basis, ignoring their argument, and then also disregarded the fact that they are not funded in any way whatsoever by the group you claim (without foundation) wields the supposed power.
It's just sloppy thinking, really.
Do you really want to add guilt-by-association to your bag of tricks?
...and an irrelevant red-herring for the win! Hurray!
Where is the previous warming trend? I don't know you tell me. I used 10,000 years as the baseline and you put up a chart that goes back 130 years. Are you actually serious? Why can't you find the trend that has been going on for 10,000 years on a 130 year chart?
There has been a long term warming trend for the last 10,000 to 15,000 years. The polar ice caps extended all the way down to NY state before the current trend started. There is no dispute. This happened Dave. Whats wrong, did your left-wing greenie website accidently leave out this crucial piece of evidence?
Not only that, you have still failed to link any climate change to human behavior. Once again, simply stating the temperature changed does not mean humans caused the change.
I posted the graph straight from the HadCRUT folks.
Your graph doesn't match it -- not even close. Not even in the same ballpark.
I'd like to know your explanation of the difference.
As for the UAH MSU LT data, this has already been discredited:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/08/et-tu-lt/
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Doesn't matter, your attack is an ad hominem attack based on the accusation of quid pro quo. Unfortunately you haven't shown quid pro quo. Additionally ad homs are invalid to addressing the point, which is the argument itself, not the person or the website.
So you've attempted to impugn the integrity of a website without factual basis, ignoring their argument, and then also disregarded the fact that they are not funded in any way whatsoever by the group you claim (without foundation) wields the supposed power.
It's just sloppy thinking, really.
Do you really want to add guilt-by-association to your bag of tricks?
...and an irrelevant red-herring for the win! Hurray!
It is not an ad hominem attack, it is a simple stating of the fact that by a massive coincidence they happen to have chosen EMS as their host.
EMS is headed by Arlie
So they all happen to be well acquainted, a coincidence as well?