The Global Warming Hoax is falling apart

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The bias works both ways.
Although there will be some contention on both sides of the argument; I have to say, purely watching BigDave's arguments, has shown there is indeed some intelligence left on the board.

Not to knock the other camp, as there have been a few rebuttals here and there; BigDave is clearly winning the debate, hands down. Not that anyone on this board would convince me either way about the actual issue.
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Hey, thanks! Out of curiosity, why not?
 
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From http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2008-09-28-model-t_N.htm

"When the Model T first hit America's roads, cities were choked with people and horses, and the top public health nuisances were horse manure and urine and flies. One New York forecaster warned that by 1930, manure would reach the third story of Manhattan's buildings."

"The Model T, and cars to follow, became the unlikely solution, causing an explosion in the number of automobiles. The 79,000 vehicles in 1905 had grown to 244.2 million in 2006 and also led to air pollution, a vast network of paved roads and the birth and growth of suburbs. "

The Model T, by the way, got better gas mileage than many modern SUV's.


"In New York City 2.5 million pounds of horse manure had to be removed daily."

http://books.google.ca/books?id=oRw...5tKMB&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10
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That is a pretty interesting fact. Thanks.
 
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Tresor:

1) Your first video is wrong that there's ever been a scientific consensus on "global cooling." (And in fact trumpets the same old Time or Newsweek article from decades ago.) By the way, even if the point was accurate, which it isn't, that's also not an argument because mankind, by nature, knows more than it did in ages past.

2) Your second video about the "600 scientists" doesn't give their CV's, naturally, although does quote an astrophysicist about climate. I did some research, and the "report" was produce by the Republican Senate Committee, naturally, in conjunction with a conservative think tank long funded by ExxonMobil, The American Petroleum Institute (which shares a leader with the offensively misleading "Global Climate Coalition.")

I couldn't be bothered to watch the rest.
 
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I did some research, and the "report" was produce by the Republican Senate Committee, naturally, in conjunction with a conservative think tank long funded by ExxonMobil, The American Petroleum Institute (which shares a leader with the offensively misleading "Global Climate Coalition.")

I couldn't be bothered to watch the rest.
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Okay, this post will be about a source you posted once in another thread. You also wrote that you believed that medieval Europeans contributed to Europe's warming through burning their fire-camps.

Look at the attached screenshots. Both were taken from your source (posted in another thread).

Please answer what caused warming in medieval Tropics and Australia? What heavy industry and extraordinary fart abilities did Australians had 1,000 years ago that today's Australian lack.

Note the temperatures in Tropics and Australia 1,000 years ago were higher than they are today.

I am interested to know your opinion.
 

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Tresor:

1) Your first video is wrong that there's ever been a scientific consensus on "global cooling." (And in fact trumpets the same old Time or Newsweek article from decades ago.) By the way, even if the point was accurate, which it isn't, that's also not an argument because mankind, by nature, knows more than it did in ages past.

2) Your second video about the "600 scientists" doesn't give their CV's, naturally, although does quote an astrophysicist about climate. I did some research, and the "report" was produce by the Republican Senate Committee, naturally, in conjunction with a conservative think tank long funded by ExxonMobil, The American Petroleum Institute (which shares a leader with the offensively misleading "Global Climate Coalition.")

I couldn't be bothered to watch the rest.
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By your logic, you wouldn't want to take medicine that had been developed by a pharmaceutical company. After all, they have an inherent conflict.

Scientific findings don''t come with asterisks denoting who paid for the research. Politicized science, different story entirely. That's why the statists make ridiculous arguments about consensus when there is none and attack the background and funding of research that does not support their alarmism. The science behind GW alarmism is tissue thin and cannot stand up to reasoned debate. You are armed with all the talking points, yet you continue to recycle totally discredited notions like the hockey stick and the idea the last ten years or whatever are the hottest on record.

When we are paying $10 a gallon for gas and utility bills are $2000/month, I just hope voters recall who was pushing this garbage. Of course, you and the other obama drones will point to the fact that the planet was "saved", ignoring the fact that this tremendous waste of resources had nothing to do with it.
 
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Hey, thanks! Out of curiosity, why not?
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Dave, if I truly wanted to develop a convincing view on this type of topic, I would research things on my own a bit, then appeal directly to established experts on the matter and draw my own conclusions. In addition, I might try to watch some public debates on the matter.
I added a small laymen's paper from a caltech prof., as I felt he gave a nice simple overview from the pro side
(including some of the problems that exist with the arguments).

I definitely would not go to an ET board to try to formulate an opinion. That being said, you appear to be very well in command of sourcing and understanding facts and present your arguments well.

The way a person presents their arguments tells me a lot about them.

Cheers.
dt
 
Quote from dtrader98:

Dave, if I truly wanted to develop a convincing view on this type of topic, I would research things on my own a bit, then appeal directly to established experts on the matter and draw my own conclusions. In addition, I might try to watch some public debates on the matter.
I added a small laymen's paper from a caltech prof., as I felt he gave a nice simple overview from the pro side
(including some of the problems that exist with the arguments).

I definitely would not go to an ET board to try to formulate an opinion. That being said, you appear to be very well in command of sourcing and understanding facts and present your arguments well.

The way a person presents their arguments tells me a lot about them.

Cheers.
dt
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"it's kind of silly to debate " A. Gore.

The man who refuses to debate, and is most responsible for the fact virtually no one who disagrees with his views is allowed a public forum.

What is your opinion on how the arguments have been presented so far?

A 3AM passing of a 1200 page bill that was not read ... "energy costs will necessarily skyrocket" B. Obama


yes, it's necessary. The Democrats certainly know how to maintain power. NOT
 
Quote from Tresor:

Okay, this post will be about a source you posted once in another thread. You also wrote that you believed that medieval Europeans contributed to Europe's warming through burning their fire-camps.
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Wow, you really don't get it. Okay, here's some breaking information for you:

1) Greenland is not part of Europe.

2) Regional climate changes are possible depending on the climate and surrounding terrain and has little or nothing to do with Global Warming.

3) Europe is not the globe and the discussion is about global temperature averages.

Look at the attached screenshots. Both were taken from your source (posted in another thread).

Please answer what caused warming in medieval Tropics and Australia? What heavy industry and extraordinary fart abilities did Australians had 1,000 years ago that today's Australian lack.

Note the temperatures in Tropics and Australia 1,000 years ago were higher than they are today.

I am interested to know your opinion.
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Okay, let's try this once again: regional climate changes are not global ones. Tasmanian is not the globe. The "tropics" is not the globe.

Once again, repeat after me, global climate change requires global climate data.
 
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