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To the jaded, jealous, ignorant loser:

You're clueless. Don's article is also consistent with what I've said and NOT consistent with what you've said... take this excerpt for example:

The 4004 was essentially the brainchild of three engineers: Ted Hoff, Stan Mazor and Federico Faggin. In April 1969, Busicom, a Japanese calculator manufacturer, contracted with Intel, then specializing in memory, to develop a series of custom chips for five upcoming machines.
http://www.xnumber.com/xnumber/accidental_revolution.htm

All 3 worked for Intel. Intel invented the microprocessor, Busicom was the customer. Shima (a Busicom engineer) did play a minor role but as I said, Hoff's thinking was the key:

Busicom's original design called for a dozen different logic and memory chips. Ted Hoff, the Intel engineer assigned to the project, believed the design was not cost effective. His solution was to simplify the design and produce a programmable processor capable of creating a set of complex special-purpose calculator chips.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microprocessor

[Ted Hoff] is credited with coming up with the idea of a universal processor instead of custom-designed circuits. His insight started the microprocessor revolution in the early 1970s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Hoff

Notice how I quote references but you simply spew venom?

Bottom line: Intel invented the microprocessor, Busicom was the customer, Texas Instruments came up with the microprocessor at the same time anyway, and you're a jaded, jealous, ignorant loser who desperately posts revisionist history on ET. Get a life loser :p

P.S. I see you're even stealing my insults. Have you ever had an original thought?
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How many times am I going to repeat myself..

Again Intel did not even make microprocessors until it was CONTRACTED by BUSICOM to produce a chip which was DESIGNED by Shima of Busicom, the italian Faggin and Ted Hoff.


Intel DID NOT make microprocessors until it was contracted by Busicom. Shima of Busicom CO-DESIGNED the chip.

Again TSMC does not claim patents for products produced for Intel.

The chip made by Intel was not a PURELY AMERICAN "INNOVATION".

If Intel was never contracted, the chip WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN MADE as it was CO-DESIGNED by Shima of BUSICOM.

You are pretending that the chip is a purely American innovation, reality conflicts with your ignorance and biased predispositions.

You are the one rewriting history and have lost your debate based on false pretenses making you the loser.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA what would have happened had Intel not been contracted by Busicom, it could never have made a chip, BUT THE FACT of the matter is that it was made with Shima of Busicom and you are rationalizing that FACT.
 
Yawwn....

Have and Havenots with the Have-nots being ruled by the Dictator and the Haves continue to make money, live great lifes, by their toys and drink their wine. That is the route we are taking. The middle class is being destroyed by the Obama Admin. This is not the future...it is the "NOW".

Sounds much like, hell the rest of Latin America and Euro Land. OBAMA is a Euro Socialist who wants America under that rule.

Those 30'somethings were idiots, They may have thought they were having an intellectual conversation. I would bet that those clowns, those who believe that "GOVERMENT IS THE ANSWER" will be on the "HAVE NOT" end of things.

Go figuer.....lol
 
Here... hiding money from the IRS to evade taxes is a FELONY. So you advising it says a lot about your posts and your lack of integrity.
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2498175&#post2498175

You can't stop yourself from lying can you? Did you learn that in jail? YOU got YOUR ass kicked:
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2388683#post2388683

Only a hypocritical loser like you would play grammar policeman himself, then call me a "stupid motherfucker" in the same post that he shows he doesn't know the difference between "recount" and "recant." Looks like you don't know the difference between "its" and "it's" either.

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lol what are you talking about? yes, i'd advise anyone living outside the usa and actually making money to renounce their citizenship... there's nothing criminal about that.. and being "criminal" isn't very hard in a nation that incarcerates more or it's people than anyone else in the world...

the grammar police always come out whenever a douchebag like you get's her ass kicked in an argument...
 
Is that what happened to you? Or what you went to jail for? Speaking of issues... you're the one who's been behind bars, wants to renounce his citizenship, and who advises people to commit felony tax evasion. :p
Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

LOL looks like grandpa forced you to play one too many rounds of "hide the monster" as a child or something... lol, you have issues...
 
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To the jaded, jealous, ignorant loser:

You're clueless. Don's article is also consistent with what I've said and NOT consistent with what you've said... take this excerpt for example:

The 4004 was essentially the brainchild of three engineers: Ted Hoff, Stan Mazor and Federico Faggin. In April 1969, Busicom, a Japanese calculator manufacturer, contracted with Intel, then specializing in memory, to develop a series of custom chips for five upcoming machines.
http://www.xnumber.com/xnumber/accidental_revolution.htm

All 3 worked for Intel. Intel invented the microprocessor, Busicom was the customer. Shima (a Busicom engineer) did play a minor role but as I said, Hoff's thinking was the key:

Busicom's original design called for a dozen different logic and memory chips. Ted Hoff, the Intel engineer assigned to the project, believed the design was not cost effective. His solution was to simplify the design and produce a programmable processor capable of creating a set of complex special-purpose calculator chips.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microprocessor

[Ted Hoff] is credited with coming up with the idea of a universal processor instead of custom-designed circuits. His insight started the microprocessor revolution in the early 1970s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Hoff

Notice how I quote references but you simply spew venom?

Bottom line: Intel invented the microprocessor, Busicom was the customer, Texas Instruments came up with the microprocessor at the same time anyway, and you're a jaded, jealous, ignorant loser who desperately posts revisionist history on ET. Get a life loser :p

P.S. I see you're even stealing my insults. Have you ever had an original thought?



To the pompous BS artist:

The article leaves out Shima's contribution to the project, yet it did have an impact.

Here is an industry-respected source:
http://www.ieee.org/web/aboutus/history_center/oral_history/abstracts/shimaab.html


"Masatoshi Shima is an electronics engineer whose work on the 4004 at Busicom and on the 8000 and 8008 at Intel and Zilog made important contributions to the development of the microprocessor."

You are the one who has last your mind, all you are doing is taking excerpts out of context, how original. That is expelling disinformation.

Facts: Intel did not even make microprocessors UNTIL... it was CONTRACTED by BUSICOM to produce a chip


..which was DESIGNED by Shima of Busicom, the italian Faggin and Ted Hoff.

Intel contracts other semiconducter producers to this day.

If Intel was never contracted, the chip WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN MADE as it was CO-DESIGNED by Shima of BUSICOM.

Here is another story from the same website:
http://www.xnumber.com/xnumber/tedhoff.htm
"Dr. Hoff's solution was just brilliant. INTEL and Busicom agreed to go ahead with the project but Busicom would retain the exclusive rights on the set of chips. After one year of development by Ted Hoff, Stanley Mazor and Federico Faggin of INTEL, and with the cooperation of Masatoshi Shima, the author of Busicom specifications, the INTEL 4004 4-bit microprocessor was born in 1970."


There have been many times in history where people have been close to a major discovery, yet they overlook one (major or slight) factor which causes that potential discovery to not be made.

You may claim that the developments were minor, yet let's put this into a mathematical expression

If you remove one variable you change the entire equation, life is not about "What ifs".

What if Busicom had never contracted Intel, and Intel never created processors (all it takes is one overlooked variable)? Too bad busicom did contract intel

What if one the creators of the chip had been aborted?
Too bad, they weren't

What if one of the creators had been hit by a car before creating the chip?
Too bad. That didn't happen.

What if What if....


A (Hoff and Faggin) *B (shima)=AB(TOGETHER created the microprocessor)

and AB=x(TOGETHER created the microprocessor)

What has happened in the past is done finished, you cannot create a time machine and fix history to fit your fantasy world. You are just a washout on ET.


The chip made by Intel was not a PURELY AMERICAN "INNOVATION". Deny that Statement.


Your ignorance and your predispositions however prevent you from seeing reality as it as.
 
To the jaded, jealous, ignorant loser:

You're wrong again... Texas Instruments made a chip at the same time (more American innovation) and you have no idea what would have happened at Intel. You assume they would have sat on their hands all that time had Busicom not come to them. Also, saying "it was CO-DESIGNED by Shima of BUSICOM" is at odds with the source you cite, which backs up what I've been saying... that Shima played a minor role. Your source says it was basically invented by Intel "with the cooperation of Masatoshi Shima." So you contradict yourself yet again.

Your desperation to downplay American innovation is hilarious... and your latest attempt is just as stupid as your past attempts which all show what a jaded, jealous, ignorant loser you are. I laugh as you desperately type away, frantically spewing venom in your futile mission to justify your petty, pathetic delusions :p

Quote from MRBRETTONWOODS:

If Intel was never contracted, the chip WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN MADE as it was CO-DESIGNED by Shima of BUSICOM.

Here is another story from the same website:
http://www.xnumber.com/xnumber/tedhoff.htm
"Dr. Hoff's solution was just brilliant. INTEL and Busicom agreed to go ahead with the project but Busicom would retain the exclusive rights on the set of chips. After one year of development by Ted Hoff, Stanley Mazor and Federico Faggin of INTEL, and with the cooperation of Masatoshi Shima, the author of Busicom specifications, the INTEL 4004 4-bit microprocessor was born in 1970."
 
Yawn. More stupidity from the lying jailbird who wants to renounce his citizenship and who advises people to commit felony tax evasion.
Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

LOL you can always tell when you've got nothing.... you get desperate for material and then this stuff comes out along with the grammar police... too funny....
 
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To the jaded, jealous, ignorant loser:

You're wrong again... Texas Instruments made a chip at the same time (more American innovation) and you have no idea what would have happened at Intel. You assume they would have sat on their hands all that time had Busicom not come to them. Also, saying "it was CO-DESIGNED by Shima of BUSICOM" is at odds with the source you cite, which backs up what I've been saying... that Shima played a minor role. Your source says it was basically invented by Intel "with the cooperation of Masatoshi Shima." So you contradict yourself yet again.

Your desperation to downplay American innovation is hilarious... and your latest attempt is just as stupid as your past attempts which all shopw what a jaded, jealous, ignorant loser you are. I laugh as you desperately type away, frantically spewing venom in your pathetic mission to justify your pathetic delusions :p


To the pompous BS artist:

You can't predict what would have happened, you are revising history. The fact of the matter is that the chip was co-designed by Shima of BUSICOM.

Let's go back to Mesopotamian algebra, if you want to talk about "innovation" "offshoots" again.

I understand that you are deficient in English, let me help you out:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cooperation
–noun 1. an act or instance of working or acting together for a common purpose or benefit; joint action.
2. more or less active assistance from a person, organization, etc.: We sought the cooperation of various civic leaders.
3. willingness to cooperate: to indicate cooperation.
4. Economics. the combination of persons for purposes of production, purchase, or distribution for their joint benefit: producers' cooperation; consumers' cooperation.
5. Sociology. activity shared for mutual benefit.
6. Ecology. mutually beneficial interaction among organisms living in a limited area.



I take it you did not read the actual sources. There is a link that refers to the IEEE

http://www.ieee.org/web/aboutus/history_center/oral_history/abstracts/shimaab.html

"Masatoshi Shima is an electronics engineer whose work on the 4004 at Busicom and on the 8000 and 8008 at Intel and Zilog made important contributions to the development of the microprocessor."

So the garbage that you are ejecting is not compatible with the IEEE source information.

So apparently it is a troll on anonymous forum ET (being you) who is disagreeing with the IEEE conclusion.

The IEEE is a 350,000+ member professional organization, it is the largest technical professional organization in the entire world. So until you can come up with a legitimate source in this reality your argument is bogus.

Again A (Hoff and Faggin) *B (shima)=AB(TOGETHER created the microprocessor)

and AB=x(TOGETHER created the microprocessor)


Here we go with another "What if?" game....

What if you been aborted and was not able to spread disinformation on this board...

You cannot changed what has happened in the past.
 
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