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What a load of crap.... you're wrong yet again. Here are a few examples of me challenging your jaded falsehoods but apparently you're such a know-it-all it didn't compute. You should be more open to differing views BTW... yours aren't serving you very well.
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2235231&#post2235231
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2326309&#post2326309
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2462072&#post2462072

You're also a hypocrite because of how you've responded to me. An example of that:
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2462340#post2462340

Quote from Sandybestdog:

It’s funny how you call me a know-it-all but never actually attempt to carry on a decent conversation by challenging anything I say. You just spew your typical string of insults and call it a day. You think you’re name calling invalidates anything I say, but really, all it does is show how nothing you say ever means anything
 
You can't even get the opening sentence of an article right, let alone speak about me and my experiences. You're just an ignorant kid who doesn't know what he doesn't know. Grow up little boy.
Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

to dispute it implies that you are ignorant, and like most other uniformed american residents think "you are so lucky", and that despite america's troubles that "it's still better than anywhere else", which, having lived elsewhere and traveled a good bit in other g20/1st world industrialized nations, i can tell you is patently bullshit. the fact that you dispute it reveals that you are ignorant and are not well traveled....
 
Wrong again! Here's how the article starts out you idiot:
A couple who claimed they were immune from paying income tax because they relinquished their U.S. citizenship are headed for prison
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny--citizenship-taxev0710jul10,0,4648641.story
Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

yes stupid ass, that's because they didn't renounce their citizenship
That's not what you said at all, liar. Here's what you wrote and if your idea is legit, why should the money be hidden?:
your money should be hidden, also, you can inform them that you have renounced your citizenship and are thus under no obligation to pay them...
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2498175#post2498175
What you've changed your story to here is a totally different situation. Which would still not exempt them from paying federal income tax on their prior earnings.
Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

i'm talking about someone who actually doesn't live in the united states and formally renounces their citizenship with the department of state, you are comparing a formal renunciation of citizenship and residence abroad with some wingnut who still lives in the united states who has declared himself a "new york national"...
As I said before, If one wants to see what a total assclown you are they can read back from this point where you showed that, not only are you clueless, you can't admit when you're wrong: http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2388683#post2388683
 
No idiot, I simply expanded my answer (directly above) to show how much of an assclown you are in even more detail :p
Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

lol master of the edit function there.... HA HA, what's wrong? did you suddenly realize how stupid that post made you sound and then decide to replace it?? too funny~!!! :D

too bad for you i already quoted it~~!!!
 
Quote from southamerica:

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July 11, 2009

SouthAmerica: Today, the economic reality in the United States is a lot worse than most Americans have realized, because even the economic data designed to measure the US economy’s performance has become nothing more than sad misinformation to picture a better system than the reality and a bunch of Fairy Tales – unemployment info, GDP info, and so on…things are so bad that today the US government does not even know if there are 12 or 20 million illegal immigrants living inside the US.

I noticed that there are a number of younger members participating on the discussion on this thread and some are using some US government info to make their point. This younger generation should also read the thread about the real US GDP, since when we consider all the Wall Street and Banking bailouts that has been going on since 2008 – the trillions of dollars that the US government has been wasting with these people in direct bailouts, and also in all kinds of US government guarantees – in essence these actions are bankrupting the future of the country.

When we consider everything that has been going on based in a more realistic estimate for current US GDP of around $ 10 trillion dollars then a new picture emerge of a nation over extended financially way beyond its capability of repaying its massive accumulated government debts – and for all practical purposes the United States is heading for defaulting on its debt and bankruptcy.

The US economy and the real GDP
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=126048

…after you adjust this fairy tale figure the real GDP of the US economy might be on the range of US$ 9 to US$ 10 trillion – the difference between these figures are all the meaningless adjustments that they make to inflate the GDP figures calculated by the US Government to show a better performance and a larger economy than the reality.

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This fairy tale, as you call it, has been keeping the entire global economic show on the road...

The lower the USD gets the worse off the EU will be. Look up the J-curve effect in forex.
 
You conveniently left out the first line of the article and you're desperately trying to change what the argument's about as you do when you're proven wrong.

I was responding to this statement of yours which is total bullshit. And even you know it is, or you wouldn't have said the money should be hidden.

your money should be hidden, also, you can inform them that you have renounced your citizenship and are thus under no obligation to pay them...
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2498175#post2498175

Grow up little boy.
Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

LOL yes einstein, and here's the CONTENTS of the article

The couple wrote letters to President George W. Bush and other government leaders in 2001 saying they were relinquishing their citizenship. They claimed to be "New York nationals" not subject to federal laws.

"This isn't the first case I've heard this nonsense about not being a citizen of the United States. It's laughable," Arcara said. "It disturbs me that people out there read this garbage and follow it."

they thought that they had "relinquished" their usa citizenships by writing to george bush and that they were "new york nationals".... if you can't see the difference btwn that and someone actually living outside the united states and filling out formal renunciation papers with the dept of state at a consulate's office then you are handicapped...

you do realize that you are trying to argue that it's impossible to renounce your usa citizenship and remain outside the jurisdiction of the IRS and the united states, right? you do realize that's your case here... just wanted to make sure.... :p
 
Quote from southamerica:

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July 7, 2009

SouthAmerica: On Sunday I attended a birthday party for my nephew. He just turned 31 years old.

They invited about 30 of his friends most of his friends were age around 30 years old.

At one point I was a silent observer of the conversation of 5 or 6 of his friends, they were talking about what they think about the United States (my nephew did not take part of the conversation he has no interest in politics anyway) – these kids were all American kids – I was surprised by the subject of their conversation.

Basically they think that the United States is in a massive mess in many ways, and they think that the only way to fix this country it is if the US becomes a dictatorship ruled by a strongman.

They were saying it would take a good dictator about 4 or 5 years to straighten out this country. But one of the guys said the only problem with dictators is that you place them in power for 4 or 5 years and they end up staying 20 years.

They were mad about the total mess that their generation is inheriting from the prior generation; they were angry with the Wall Street, the banking system and corporate greed and exploitation. Among other things they were really pissed by the increase of interest rates that they got on their credit cards and all the fees that the banks are coming up with.

I did not say a word and I was thinking were these kids are getting these ideas from? Why they think that way? Were they are getting their information to come up with solutions like that?

All of these guys had at least a college education, the fellow who was the biggest supporter for the dictatorship concept he is 30 years old and he is very prosperous he started a company in the web when he was 17 years old and he has been doing very well financially ever since that time. He is a very smart kid, a very hard worker, and his company is doing very well even during this hard times that we have been going through.

I am sorry I just listened to their conversation and I did not ask them some questions such as:

1) Why they think that way?

2) What kind of communication system they were using to come up with these ideas such as television programs, books that they were reading, information on this subject that they found in the internet, opinions of family members that were influencing their thinking and so on…?

3) How many of their friends think that way?

4) In the case of choosing a dictator who they had in mind to be the leader of this American dictatorship?

5) What they expected this dictator to do and in which specific areas?

6) Why they felt that only a dictatorship system can save the future of this country?


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The conversation of these guys from a younger generation surprised me in many ways since what we lack in the United States is real democracy – we have a system of two wings of the same bird.

The US needs a system of at least 4 or 5 major political parties.

I wonder what percentage of the US population are feeling the same way as these kids today?
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The end of America as we know it is years away, at a point when minorities become the majority this country is done and finished.
 
Again... you're trying to change what the argument's about because you can't admit when you're wrong because you're a spoiled little brat. I was responding to this statement of yours which is total bullshit. And even you know it is, or you wouldn't have said the money should be hidden.

your money should be hidden, also, you can inform them that you have renounced your citizenship and are thus under no obligation to pay them...
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2498175#post2498175

You tried to do the same thing with marijuana laws and wouldn't even admit you were wrong when I posted the law. If one wants to see what a total assclown you are, they can see that example reading back from this post.
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2388683#post2388683
Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

LOL okay smart guy, if you think writing to george bush and telling him youre not a us citizen but rather a "new york national" is the same as living outside of the usa and filling out renunciation documents with the consulate and procuring another citizenship is the same thing more power to ya :D guess you've got it all figured out then.... :p
 
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The end of America as we know it is years away, at a point when minorities become the majority this country is done and finished.

I know this might sound racist to some, but culturally it is the truth. However, economically they are needed. You think the spoiled gen X/Yers are going to do the jobs that Mexicans are willing to do? No way in hell...
 
Quote from short&naked:

I know this might sound racist to some, but culturally it is the truth. Just about every neighbourhood in this country has turned into a hood after blacks or hispanics moved in. This is not debatable, this is a fact.

However, economically they are needed. You think the spoiled gen X/Yers are going to do the jobs that Mexicans are willing to do? No way in hell...
 
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