The Freedom Tower

Quote from Cutten:


In this case of the "Freedom Tower", the relationship breaks down because the motives had nothing whatsoever to do with a prior period of massive economic prosperity climaxing

Generally I would agree, but:

1. The Dow is up 15% for the year.
2. The tower was planned at the height of the credit/housing bubble...

After reading about the glout of office spaces in NYC, I wonder just how can they fill the tower up? After the Empire State Building was completed for years it went with a 20-30% occupancy.
The tower is more a political decission than a sound business plan...
 
I agree with you that this particular project is not systematic of a new construction orgy. However throughout the world we're seeing massive new projects.

Many of America's most visible sports stadiums were built before or during the Great Depression, i.e. Yankee Stadium, Soldier Field, the L.A. Coliseum along with huge football stadiums on college campuses, ect. I had thought that the stadium boom of the 90's (that's STILL going on today) was the signal of a major secular trend change. I'm still waiting.....


Quote from Cutten:

I disagree. The reason "tallest buildings" are a leading indicator of a downturn is because they are a lagging indicator of credit/speculative bubbles. The motives for building most of them are that the country (or corporation) in question had been swimming in so much money that it thought it a jolly good idea to "celebrate" (i.e. show off) it's new found riches, and the hubris had reached such a stage that they decided to do so by building a tallest building.

In this case of the "Freedom Tower", the relationship breaks down because the motives had nothing whatsoever to do with a prior period of massive economic prosperity climaxing in an orgy of speculation and absurdly overconfident provision of credit. In fact, the tower was proposed only shortly after the first US recession in a decade, and its worst stockmarket crash since the 1970s, if not the Depression. Rather, the motives for building the tower were in reaction to a major terrorist attack. Therefore, the size/downturn correlation is in this case entirely specious. The size of the tower has no predictive value whatsoever for the US economy or stockmarket.
 
Quote from Pekelo:


After reading about the glout of office spaces in NYC, I wonder just how can they fill the tower up? After the Empire State Building was completed for years it went with a 20-30% occupancy.
The tower is more a political decission than a sound business plan...

I wouldn't be surprised if the repulsive, insulting & Orwellian <b>name</b> of this building kept many businesses away.
 
A "Freedom Tower" that will have cameras everywhere taking your picture, with state of the art security monitoring your every move...

Now that's Freedom...circa 1984.

Quote from Rearden Metal:

I wouldn't be surprised if the repulsive, insulting & Orwellian <b>name</b> of this building kept many businesses away.
 
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

A "Freedom Tower" that will have cameras everywhere taking your picture, with state of the art security monitoring your every move...

Now that's Freedom...circa 1984.

This is about the 2nd time I've agreed with ZZZ - it's a truly ridiculous name.

The best design for the replacement was this:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/funnypictures/ig/100-Funny-Pictures/New-World-Trade-Center.htm

How f*cking COOL would it have been to build that as a monument? Give Al Queda the middle finger! Goddam, it would get Bin Laden's goat every frickin time he saw it. It would stick in the craw of the whole suicide bomber brigade in the Middle East. It would be a daily "f*ck you" to everyone who remotely supported the attacks. One could hardly imagine a more "American" building. I can't believe they didn't build that one!
 
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