The Fed Is Destroying Jobs: Ken Griffin

Is QE at this point counter productive, even if ideally it could be correct ?

  • Yes. QE is now counter productive.

    Votes: 30 78.9%
  • No. The economy is too weak and this is the correct course of action.

    Votes: 1 2.6%
  • I don't know.

    Votes: 3 7.9%
  • I don't care.

    Votes: 4 10.5%

  • Total voters
    38
The Fed:

Creates bubbles by keeping interest rates exceptionally low for long periods.

"Fixes" bubble bursts by....keeping interest rates exceptionally low for long periods.

If you can do these 2 things that are 1 thing and want to be Fed Chief, raise your hand!

:D

Bonus - eat for free in the Fed cafeteria and use the Fed facilities so you don't see the effects of inflation on food/basic staples.

:D
 
Quote from Maverick74:

I hate to break this to you, but everything you suggest, has already been done in Europe and they are worse off then we are. Infrastructure is not going to do squat if there is not a real economy working behind it. Why don't you Keynesians understand that? It's YOUR theories that are outdated. They have been practiced in Europe for 100's of years. I don't know if you have HBO, but you should check out the latest episode of VICE (surprisingly produced by Bill Maher) that highlights what is happening in Europe right now.

Actually the EU is currently taking an austerity approach to extracting themselves from high debt and high unemployment. It is not working well of course. They need to follow Keynes, and there is increasing pressure to model their monetary policy after the U.S. Fed. I think you will see them move more and more in that direction over the next 18 months or so. Soros recently spoke in Frankfurt suggesting that either Germany should drop its objections to the Euro bond or else leave the Euro.

Keynes advocated something quite different from what the Europeans are doing currently. And he advocated different policy in boom times than in recessions.
 
Quote from MrN:

His point makes sense, yet it is just one of many factors at work that are harming jobs, particularly decent paying jobs.

-Technology, even without zero financing would still be killing jobs.
-Global wage arbitrage - both outsourcing and immigration are harming middle class and working class incomes
-increasing costs/uncertainty created by obamacare
-Busted government budgets means cutting back on make-work jobs like most of the post office, etc
-All this has occurred while the Bernanke asset inflation has stoked the fortunes of asset owners (the rich) which has had the unfortunate effect of stoking class resentment.


Ultimately people will need to face reality: The productive economy does not need a large percent of the workforce. Neither political party has a solution, or even a shred of a solution, to this basic and growing problem. The country needs new ideas.

Read Griffin's remarks again. I think you will agree that while your points make sense, his do not. Maybe you should be in charge of Citadel.
 
Quote from piezoe:



P.S. I suppose I should offer a comment on Griffin's remarks since that's what started this thread. His comments make little or no sense. Low employment may be correlated with low interest rates -- isn't that what happens in recessions!-- but they are not related as cause and effect. Nor do low interest rates cause extraordinarily high medical costs. How is it possible for such a flawed thinker to become head of an outfit like Citadel?

The wealth effect isn't working. Real estate hasn't inflated, appreciably. Equities have, but 80% of Americans own a measly 7% of all financial wealth. The rest went into commodities - energy, industrial metals, agricultural products - which inflated the real CPI, dramatically. As a Keynesian, you would know increasing factor input costs shifts the supply curve left-ward, pushes up the price level, and causes a reduction in GDP/employment. Iow, prices rise, and wages remain stagnant = drop in living standards and employment. So his analysis is right. All the QE, while propping banks, and staving off the inevitable Great D 2.0, eroded living standards and destroyed jobs by inflating supply costs. That's the problem. The Fed has a broad sword, but it can't dictate which asset classes that money flows into. In this case, under these circumstances, the desired effect (reflating the housing bubble), wasn't achieved. Now, actually consider why that's a good idea, when the last one just popped with disastrous consequences?!?!

What isn't discussed, is the other side of that equation - wages. Wages are in decline. Offshoring, H1B and illegal "migrant" labor exerts massive downward pressure on wages. Take any metric, but good jobs are far fewer, shitty jobs are more prolific, and hours are being cut. The result - wages are in decline and prices are rising. So ya, consumption has taken a massive hit, so output is down, along with GDP etc. While the FED is more responsible for escalating supply costs, it's Congress that's to blame for destroying wages.

And the idea that technology kills jobs is bogus. If that were true, nobody would have a job. Technology has evolved considerably since cave-dwellers invented the wheel 100,000 years ago. And here we are. Most people, with a job. Strange?
 
Quote from achilles28:

... The Fed has a broad sword, but it can't dictate which asset classes that money flows into. ....

How does one find out in which asset the money will flow/is flowing into ?
 
Quote from denner:

Piezoe is hopelessly naive OR purposely obtuse (hard to figure out which), but given the fact that he is into his 70's, I'll go with the latter.

At least we know who voted for option two in the poll. I knew it was either him, or the other Fed Apologist, Martinghoul.
 
Good article in yesterday's WSJ about how it's 'quaint' that many still believe the government can help. The argument being of course that pretty much everything the government does, especially when relating to big problems, usually makes things worse.

So the usuals screams of 'the govt MUST do something' should be replaced with 'PLEASE, stay the hell out'.
 
Quote from Tsing Tao:

At least we know who voted for option two in the poll. I knew it was either him, or the other Fed Apologist, Martinghoul.

Yes, it was I.
 
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