The exodus of New York City’s endangered middle class

R1234 said:
self employed person here living in a NYC suburb. I have been debating for years whether I should move out. I can do what I do from anywhere. I could be saving a boatload of money every year if I moved to a state with more sane property/income/sales taxes. I suspect a lot of people in my situation are contemplating the same thing, especially after the SALT deduction changes made by Trump.

Any suggestions where I should move to??
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Watching from the far north, aka Canada, I have been saddened by the move to a police state in the USA. As a youngster I dreamed of moving to Hawaii. Now, because it is part of the USA that is no longer a choice.

You might consider Costa Rica. I've heard it is nice and with a concern for the environment.
Perhaps the Cayman Islands, Bermuda?

Most countries tax you on your country of residence. Not the USA. It taxes you are your country of citizenship. So moving abroad is more complicated for Americans. More are revoking their citizenship. (not easy to do I have read).

Good luck on whatever your choice.
 
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Trader200K said:
Before trading, my day job of 30 yr took me from NYC to Nawlins with lots of time all along the route. Jersey burbs to eastern KY backwoods. Memphis shooting range to Pecan Island mosquitos/gators. Worked for the multi$B corp down to running my own.

It's been my experience that culturally, the 'envy' factor does not significantly enter the picture as very few really take the least amount of time to get a grip on the other's culture nor even have any desire to learn about it. But the dichotomy is becoming more severe as intolerance finds its way into law/regulation and ultimately cost of living.

On average ... urban dwellers assume Rurals are unsophisticated clods that must be assimilated into their culture for their own good and Rurals increasingly shun Urban dwellers as being more and more disconnected from reality and unsustainable ... even threatening to their lifestyle in their unwillingness to just live and let live. As freedoms get increasingly clipped, I find myself with more in common with the folks in the Exurbs, even though I will likely never be fully accepted here.

My only point is that these cultural differences are what those contemplating relocation need to be sure of before plopping hard investment down into a different environment.

Moving twice is suboptimal.
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It's funny, most urban dwellers would say that imposing restrictions on things like if two dudes in NYC can get married or I can smoke a joint in my house is an "unwillingness to just live and let live.", so it all depends on where you sit. I think the religious right fundamentalists and their strong association with rural America makes it a pretty uncredible assertion that the left has any kind of monopoly on intolerance and threatening the lifestyle of others. I grew up as rural as they come, and while I don't go as far as "unsophisticated clods" I do believe there is a strong anti-intellectualism anti-education streak, again probably driven by the fundamentalists, that I base on my first-hand experience.

If you're a libertarian conservative, on the other hand, sure. I feel sorry for those folks getting saddled with the rest of the right. While I don't agree with much of what they believe at least they are generally internally consistent with their beliefs while the religious right most definitely is not.
 
R1234 said:
sea level rise is no joke. Just ask the mayor of miami beach - he is seeing it with his own eyes.
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Partly true; but tides/rising + lower/higher levels of oceans is not ''global warming/climate change'' They changed the name from global warming to ''climate change/scam '' LOL. Ever wonder why so many riverfront homes are built on on long stilts-hint, its not climate change LOL. Thanks:cool::cool:
 
murray t turtle said:
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Partly true; but tides/rising + lower/higher levels of oceans is not ''global warming/climate change'' They changed the name from global warming to ''climate change/scam '' LOL. Ever wonder why so many riverfront homes are built on on long stilts-hint, its not climate change LOL. Thanks:cool::cool:
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Oh right, totally forgot about how oceans have seasonal flooding.
 
deltastrike said:
Oh right, totally forgot about how oceans have seasonal flooding.
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LOL not just hurricane season,DS,.Only a 6.66/+feet above sea level Miami margin of safety.Most likely enough for hotes. I'm fairly optimistic for the So FLA hotels; the global cooling scam[1970s]is so well known , no one believes that nonsense LOL-LOL:D:D
 
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