The End of (the catholic) Church

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I think science is also faith based.
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Science is evidence-based. Faith, by definition, is belief without evidence. So science is emphatically not based on faith.
 
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My point goes to your "best" way.
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Depends on purpose. If you want facts, then don't dismiss them or your rational brain. If you want solace, then pray to whomever makes you feel warm all over.
 
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I've noticed Ricter will usually throw down a philosophical banana skin at an early stage to slip his way around on .
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And you can only surmise the "banana peel" is there, you can't look far enough down to actually see it.
 
Quote from kut2k2:

Science is evidence-based. Faith, by definition, is belief without evidence. So science is emphatically not based on faith.
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What is, and what is not, evidence, is a manmade choice. The choice is made based on values.
 
Quote from kut2k2:

Science is evidence-based. Faith, by definition, is belief without evidence. So science is emphatically not based on faith.
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Yes, but I think Ricter may be implying, among other things, that our understanding of science is based on our faith in our ability to reason. A bit of sophistry from an otherwise very bright fellow.
 
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What is, and what is not, evidence, is a manmade choice. The choice is made based on values.
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Like Brass said, this is sophistry. Give an example where science has ignored relevant evidence because of some "value" judgement. Not some individual scientist who made bad choices based on some personal flaw, but the scientific community as a whole.
 
Quote from kut2k2:

Like Brass said, this is sophistry. Give an example where science has ignored relevant evidence...
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First, let's agree on a definition of evidence, shall we?
 
Quote from stu:

Not obvious, not really.
Why would eternal + decay (ie: gradual decrease/death/whatever) be a contradiction? As a catholic you do resurrection don't you? :)

An actual universe that evolves from low entropy to high to low .... a cyclic universe expanding and contracting indefinitely, isn't a contradiction.
A supposed eternal being only said not to be in a state of decay, when every being is observed to be in a state of decay, certainly suggests a contradiction.
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The only actual universe we have is moving gradually towards a state of entropy. Time is a byproduct of that movement.
To reverse the movement towards entropy is to reverse the arrow of time.
If you're thinking about someone outside of this universe, that someone by definition is not constrained by time, because time only exists as a function of the physical reality of this universe.
 
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