The End of (the catholic) Church

[trefoil]

Quote from Free Thinker:

i knew it would go over your head but the point is that its rather silly of the catholics to worship sperm when your god doesnt seem to care that much about dead sperm cells.

Correction: fertilized eggs, not sperm. Let's get our idols straight.

 

[trefoil]

Quote from RCG Trader:

No, the Chruch does not have to provide it.

And, btw, why do we capitalize church when we speak of the Catholics. Do you perceive their power just by the way we speak of Them?

Careful there. We just might have a stake with your name carved on it, ya know...

Chestnuts roasting on an open fire. Yum!

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from jem:

I know you know this and a just being a troll.

By faith, many believe God is all knowing. If someone dies before birth presumably it is a just, loving, merciful and correct outcome based on God's plan.

I see that as significantly different from Obama's plan.... but you apparently don't. I say its because you are a troll.

many believe biblegod is also all powerful. so if biblegod is all all knowing and all powerful, and some eggs die ,god knew they were going to die and having the ability, being all powerful, to keep them alive if he chose must be ok with some eggs dying.
logic is a wonderful thing if you are not afraid to use it. try it sometime.


Let me see here:
God created time, but the process of deciding to create time requires time itself;
God created the perfect universe.. which is 99,999..% hostile and chaotic;
God is Benevolent but created Hell;
God is Omnipotent but can not control Satan;
God is Omniscient, but humans have "free will" and He does not know our final destination (heaven/hell);

 

[jem]

Quote from Free Thinker:

many believe biblegod is also all powerful. so if biblegod is all all knowing and all powerful, and some eggs die ,god knew they were going to die and having the ability, being all powerful, to keep them alive if he chose must be ok with some eggs dying.
logic is a wonderful thing if you are not afraid to use it. try it sometime.


Let me see here:
God created time, but the process of deciding to create time requires time itself;
God created the perfect universe.. which is 99,999..% hostile and chaotic;
God is Benevolent but created Hell;
God is Omnipotent but can not control Satan;
God is Omniscient, but humans have "free will" and He does not know our final destination (heaven/hell);

did chavez pull this same shit when he took over.
Oh look you are losing freedom... but my commie newpaper and blogging team will change the subject.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from jem:

did chavez pull this same shit when he took over.
Oh look you are losing freedom... but my commie newpaper and blogging team will change the subject.

we are gaining freedom. the freedom for women to choose when and how many kids they will have.
when the government took away the freedom of one man to own another man as a slave was that good or bad? did we lose freedom or gain freedom?


"We Have A Responsibility…as unbelievers, we have a responsibility to the future of our species to do whatever we can to disseminate the science and eliminate the myth."

 

[jem]

Quote from Free Thinker:

we are gaining freedom. the freedom for women to choose when and how many kids they will have.
when the government took away the freedom of one man to own another man as a slave was that good or bad? did we lose freedom or gain freedom?


"We Have A Responsibility…as unbelievers, we have a responsibility to the future of our species to do whatever we can to disseminate the science and eliminate the myth."

chavez troll. You are attempting to make this a referendum on whether birth control is good or bad. But that is not what this is commie.

Your leftist junta is issuing executive orders attempting to force the Church to provide drugs which kill babies. Only Orwellian trolls would call that gaining freedom.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from jem:

chavez troll. You are attempting to make this a referendum on whether birth control is good or bad. But that is not what this is commie.

Your leftist junta is issuing executive orders attempting to force the Church to provide drugs which kill babies. Only Orwellian trolls would call that gaining freedom.

really showing you maturity there jem. all kinds of childish names. im shaking in my boots now.

cognitive dissonance — the intellectual crisis that occurs when a failed belief system or philosophy is confronted with proof of its implausibility. ...

 

[jem]

Quote from Free Thinker:

really showing you maturity there jem. all kinds of childish names. im shaking in my boots now.

cognitive dissonance — the intellectual crisis that occurs when a failed belief system or philosophy is confronted with proof of its implausibility. ...

changing the subject again. Now what your faith that there is no creator of the universe is some sort of superior mindset. Isn't that a bit totalitarian? Where is your tolerance you bigot.

remember it was the Church and a Polish Pope who bankrupted the Church itself supporting freedoms in Poland. No wonder leftists like you are out to take it down piece by piece.

 

[bigarrow]

Defination of troll according to jem:


troll - someone who disagrees with jem on an Internet forum

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from jem:



remember it was the Church and a Polish Pope who bankrupted the Church itself supporting freedoms in Poland.

you think maybe billion dollar settlements for covering up that priests were raping little boys behind the alter hurt a little bit too?



You find as you look around the world that every single bit of progress in humane feeling, every improvement in the criminal law, every step toward the diminution of war, every step toward better treatment of the colored races, or every mitigation of slavery, every moral progress that there has been in the world, has been consistently opposed by the organized churches of the world. I say quite deliberately that the Christian religion, as organized in its churches, has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world.”
— Bertrand Russell