The End of Christian America

[Free Thinker]

Quote from jem:

if you do not understand that there is almost and infinite difference between the idea of zeus being the creator and the idea that there could be a Creator. you have no business posting on threads dealing with metaphysics.

if you do not understand that your christian god has no more evidence of being the creator ,if one existed, than zeus you have a blind faith.
i would bet money that if science were to somehow find evidence of a creator but it was conclusive that it was not the christian god you would not accept it. people like you only argue for one creator. that being the god of the religion you inherited.

 

[jem]

Quote from vhehn:

if you do not understand that your christian god has no more evidence of being the creator ,if one existed, than zeus you have a blind faith.
i would bet money that if science were to somehow find evidence of a creator but it was conclusive that it was not the christian god you would not accept it. people like you only argue for one creator. that being the god of the religion you inherited.

christian faith has nothing to do with this argument.

you atheists need to examine your logic. Putting forth strawmen is not intellectually sound.

 

[smilingsynic]

Science cannot prove or disprove "creators". For that matter, nothing can prove or disprove a creator. It is simply a matter of faith.

But scientific evidence exists that proves that Christianity is a false religion. There was no Adam and Eve, and therefore no original sin, and therefore no need for a Saviour.

Happy Easter.

 

[murray t turtle]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

The End Christian America

The percentage of self-identified Christians has fallen 10 points in the past two decades. How that statistic explains who we are now—and what, as a nation, we are about to become.


By Jon Meacham
Published Apr 4, 2009
From the magazine issue dated Apr 13, 2009

It was a small detail, a point of comparison buried in the fifth paragraph on the 17th page of a 24-page summary of the 2009 American Religious Identification Survey. But as R. Albert Mohler Jr.—president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, one of the largest on earth—read over the document after its release in March, he was struck by a single sentence. For a believer like Mohler—a starched, unflinchingly conservative Christian, steeped in the theology of his particular province of the faith, devoted to producing ministers who will preach the inerrancy of the Bible and the Gospel of Jesus Christ as the only means to eternal life—the central news of the survey was troubling enough: the number of Americans who claim no religious affiliation has nearly doubled since 1990, rising from 8 to 15 percent. Then came the point he could not get out of his mind: while the unaffiliated have historically been concentrated in the Pacific Northwest, the report said, "this pattern has now changed, and the Northeast emerged in 2008 as the new stronghold of the religiously unidentified." As Mohler saw it, the historic foundation of America's religious culture was cracking.

"That really hit me hard," he told me last week. "The Northwest was never as religious, never as congregationalized, as the Northeast, which was the foundation, the home base, of American religion. To lose New England struck me as momentous." Turning the report over in his mind, Mohler posted a despairing online column on the eve of Holy Week lamenting the decline—and, by implication, the imminent fall—of an America shaped and suffused by Christianity. "A remarkable culture-shift has taken place around us," Mohler wrote. "The most basic contours of American culture have been radically altered. The so-called Judeo-Christian consensus of the last millennium has given way to a post-modern, post-Christian, post-Western cultural crisis which threatens the very heart of our culture." When Mohler and I spoke in the days after he wrote this, he had grown even gloomier. "Clearly, there is a new narrative, a post-Christian narrative, that is animating large portions of this society," he said from his office on campus in Louisville, Ky.

There it was, an old term with new urgency: post-Christian. This is not to say that the Christian God is dead, but that he is less of a force in American politics and culture than at any other time in recent memory. To the surprise of liberals who fear the advent of an evangelical theocracy and to the dismay of religious conservatives who long to see their faith more fully expressed in public life, Christians are now making up a declining percentage of the American population.

Continued here: http://www.newsweek.com/id/192583

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O-777;
''no religious affiliation risen from 8-15%'' Well i wish it were more favorable,, but Jesus Christ has risen from the dead, according to the scriptures & he still is all mighty/still heals & saves........................................ Still controls the weather;
even though the gobal warming /climate change fraudsters hate that.

Parrots still talk & can quote John 3;16;
the fact some pretend birds can not talk changes nothing-LOL I heard a great CCTV[Chinese central/com TV]they were singing Christmas songs''fall on you knees, hear the angel voices''

Gideon lost about 99% of his men of Israel,[30,000 down to 300];
God & Gideon still win.

And while God does control the weather;
I am also a believer in planting trees, in Israel, America. A tree has many ''climate change'' micro weather benefits, like an air conditioner.