The Effectiveness of Wearing a Mask Against Covid-19

[CaptainObvious]

U.S. COVID Deaths by Age
Note the death data is about two weeks old due to reporting delays
Current U.S. total is 147,073
Source CDC - https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku
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Under 1 year - 11 deaths
1-4 years - 9 deaths
5-14 years - 16 deaths
15-24 years - 190 deaths
25-34 years - 935 deaths
35-44 years - 2,411 deaths
45-54 years - 6,566 deaths
55-64 years - 15,880 deaths
65-74 years - 27,167 deaths
75-84 years - 34,399 deaths
85 years and over - 42,666 deaths
All Ages - 130,250 deaths

Are all the dead in the 25-34 age range (now over 1000) a mere rounding error? Are all the dead in the 35-44 age range a mere rounding error? Are all the dead in the 45-54 age range a mere rounding error? Are the 55-64 year olds - nearly all still working working a rounding error? Are all of these people who died over a mere 20 week period merely a rounding error to you.

The U.S. has another problem -- our dead seem to be younger than in other countries.

When covid-19 deaths are analysed by age, America is an outlier
American casualties tend to be younger than European ones, which has grim implications
https://www.economist.com/graphic-d...ths-are-analysed-by-age-america-is-an-outlier

IT is now well-known that, although covid-19 can strike even the very young, older folk face the greatest risk. In hard-hit rich countries, about 60% of all deaths from the disease are among people aged 80 and over. America, however, is an exception. Data released on June 16th by the Centres for Disease Control (CDC) show that the country’s death toll skews significantly younger. There, people in their 80s account for less than half of all covid-19 deaths; people in their 40s, 50s and 60s, meanwhile, account for a significantly larger share of those who die. The median covid-19 sufferer in America is a 48-year-old; in Italy it is a 63-year-old.

Why is America such an outlier? Part of the explanation surely lies in the fact that America has a younger population than Europe does. America’s median age is just 38; Italy’s is 45. Another reason, perhaps, is that middle-aged Americans may be less healthy than their European peers, eg, because they tend to be more obese.

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All zeros statistically speaking. More people die in car accidents, many more. Why do we continue to allow such a deadly activity? Because statistically speaking the risk is near zero, that's why. We put some rules in place and go with it. No such thing as zero risk from possibly dying.
Is it possible to get Covid and die? Yes. Is it probable? Probable for any age group? No, not even close. Some groups certainly have a higher risk profile, but probability is still a statistical zero. As with driving, set some guidelines and go. Human lives argument is a strawman.

 

[gwb-trading]

All zeros statistically speaking. More people die in car accidents, many more. Why do we continue to allow such a deadly activity? Because statistically speaking the risk is near zero, that's why. Is it possible to get Covid and die? Yes. Is it probable? Probable for any age group? No, not even close. Some groups certainly have a higher risk profile, but probability is still a statistical zero. Human lives argument is a strawman.

Yeah... and I expect you believe that all the ICUs being overwhelmed and all the seriously ill people (some not recovered after weeks) are also strawman arguments. Never saw these types of issues with the seasonal flu over the past few decades.

You know that polio had a much lower fatality rate than COVID-19 -- should we just let polio run rampant through our communities --- I guess all those images of thousands of crippled polio "survivors" in iron lungs was too painful to bear.

 

[Nine_Ender]

All zeros statistically speaking. More people die in car accidents, many more. Why do we continue to allow such a deadly activity? Because statistically speaking the risk is near zero, that's why. We put some rules in place and go with it. No such thing as zero risk from possibly dying.
Is it possible to get Covid and die? Yes. Is it probable? Probable for any age group? No, not even close. Some groups certainly have a higher risk profile, but probability is still a statistical zero. As with driving, set some guidelines and go. Human lives argument is a strawman.

You obviously don't understand statistics. 1100 deaths in a day is significant. Canada had 2 today. Prorated that would be 18 in the US. So 1082 extra deaths for Americans just today. And you want to claim it's insignificant. Like fuck it's insignificant. Too many dumb asses like you on here in complete denial spouting shit about the virus. Here's the funny part. Even Trump finally figured it out. Months late but he did. Yet you are still on here spouting shit about the virus and associated risks.

 

[BeautifulStranger]

If indeed that is the method of transmission.

Unbroken skin provides excellent protection against pathogens. With that in mind, try to visualize how a virus can transmit from one person to another. Especially a respiratory flu-like virus.

We are in agreement that Coronavirus is highly infectuous, right?

It is also important to understand medical definitions of airborne transmission. They are based on statistical models. In other words, a virus that is not considered airborne has a 95% chance of not infecting someone within a certain distance for a given time of exposure. That leaves a 5% chance of infection. We have seen the repercussions of these definitions on the treatment of Ebola virus in Africa. Further, environmental conditions can significantly impact transmission rates.

Attached below is an article that lends credence Coronavirus can be tranmitted through the air:

How a superspreader at choir practice sickened 52 people with COVID-19


By Laura Geggel - Associate Editor May 14, 2020

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After a superspreader attended a choir practice (not pictured here), 52 people came down with COVID-19.
(Image: © Shutterstock)

A COVID-19 superspreader unknowingly infected 52 people with the new coronavirus at a choir practice in Mount Vernon, Washington, in early March, leading to the deaths of two people, a new Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) report finds.

The choir practice happened on March 10, roughly two weeks before the state's Democratic Gov. Jay Inslee issued the March 23 "stay home, stay healthy" executive order, which barred social gatherings and nonessential travel as a way to stem COVID-19 infections.

cloth face coveringsin public settings where other social-distancing measures are difficult to maintain during this pandemic," according to the report, published online May 12 in the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.

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Not all of this article pasted. Link below:

https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-superspreader-singing.html

 

[CaptainObvious]

Yeah... and I expect you believe that all the ICUs being overwhelmed and all the seriously ill people (some not recovered after weeks) are also strawman arguments. Never saw these types of issues with the seasonal flu over the past few decades.

You know that polio had a much lower fatality rate than COVID-19 -- should we just let polio run rampant through our communities --- I guess all those images of thousands of crippled polio "survivors" in iron lungs was too painful to bear.

Hospitals have been going broke with empty beds because they couldn't fill them with elective surgery patients. They finally wised up and now have them filled up with covid-19 patients,most of whom should be sent home for bed rest and drink plenty of fluids. Just another part of the scam. I will go out, wear a mask where are required or appropriate, but I will not cower in fear that I might catch a bug from which there is nearly zero risk of dying.

 

[BeautifulStranger]

Looking at this in terms of probabilities, why do you see this as riskier than the flu for you?
Are you in any high risk categories?

If you don't have any symptoms why are do you see yourself as a big risk to others?

I do not consider myself at high risk. In fact, I may already had Covid-19. If I was infected, it’s symptoms overall were less than the regular flu.

If I become infected with covid-19, there is a chance I could spread it to others. As an adult and responsible citizen, I feel an obligation to take steps to protect our community, especially those who are more vulnerable than I am, such as the elderly and front line workers. Further, the more entrenched Covid-19 becomes, the worse future outbreaks will be.

I can fulfill my duties as a citizen for a little personal inconvenience. In my view, it is what adults do.

 

[BeautifulStranger]

Hospitals have been going broke with empty beds because they couldn't fill them with elective surgery patients. They finally wised up and now have them filled up with covid-19 patients,most of whom should be sent home for bed rest and drink plenty of fluids. Just another part of the scam. I will go out, wear a mask where are required or appropriate, but I will not cower in fear that I might catch a bug from which there is nearly zero risk of dying.

What the Coronavirus deniers fail to realize, is Covid-19 is not a “One and done” virus. There will be outbreaks in the future, causing more deaths and long term disability. Further, since Covid-19 is significantly more serious than the flu, someone who was previously infected with Covid-19 and made it through ok, is not guarenteed they will make it through ok the next time get infected, especially if they get hit at a time when their immune system is low due to stress, injury, or other temporary factors.

As a “Bonus”, each year that ticks by, our immune systems weaken as part of the aging process. So for most young people, Covid-19 is not a problem now, but it is coming.

Are you beginning to see the benefits for requiring everyone in public, at work, and in large groups of people to wear PPE for a month? A “Precious” month that may erradicate this dangerous disease once and for all?

 

[BeautifulStranger]

From Texas, gnus.. Is guns right? Jem's last nic when he 'disappeared' was from his first home NYC but now a new one.

Appeared when Jem disappeared. Is a twat...

Add inconsistent capitalisation.

Its Jem.

Just delivered a portable, 1 megawatt generator to a major hospital in Corpus Cristi, TX. Portable, if you happen to have a semi lying around.

The generator is for backup power during the hurricane season for a chiller involved in oxygen extraction from the atmosphere.

At the delivery, I chatted with the hospital facilities manager. He said the oldest part of the hospital was to be demolished, but it was delayed due to Covid-19. He stated they were near full capacity with Covid-19 patients. This is in Corpus Cristi, TX, a relatively small town with several refineries on the Gulf Coast.

I asked this manager if they were seeing the same pattern of older people being disportionately affected by Covid-19. He said, yes, but that they also had 20 and 30 something patients, some of whom died. Since when young people die of the flu?

Interestingly, this manager added his wife was infected by Covid-19, perhaps she was a healthcare worker, but I forgot to ask. He said he tested negative for Covid, however. This guy was in his late thirtys, a bit overweight, but appeared healthy. I hate to feed the PPE deniers on this site, but the manager was not wearing PPE. I didn’t want to question him on that because of sensitively to the relationship between my agent and him.

 

[gwb-trading]

Hospitals have been going broke with empty beds because they couldn't fill them with elective surgery patients. They finally wised up and now have them filled up with covid-19 patients,most of whom should be sent home for bed rest and drink plenty of fluids. Just another part of the scam. I will go out, wear a mask where are required or appropriate, but I will not cower in fear that I might catch a bug from which there is nearly zero risk of dying.

Guess Trump has bought into the scam now. He just cancelled the Republican Convention in Jacksonville.

 

[Ricter]

For those 30 plus and 30 minus and in reasonable shape, getting shot in Chicago can make them sick for weeks or do permanent damage to their lungs or other organs. It's beyond stupid to downplay that because you probably won't die.

Dumb analogy.