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The Effectiveness of Wearing a Mask Against Covid-19
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Even the Canadians are having issues with masks!
OPP shoot man dead hours after mask dispute leads to alleged assault
Officers called to supermarket in Minden, Ont., on Wednesday morning
CBC News · Posted: Jul 15, 2020 8:40 PM ET | Last Updated: July 16
Police taped off the parking lot of this Valu-Mart grocery store in Minden, Ont., Shortly after 8 a.m. Wednesday, police were called after a man allegedly refused to wear a mask and allegedly assaulted a store employee. (CBC)
Ontario's police watchdog is investigating after officers fatally shot a 73-year-old man in Haliburton County on Wednesday morning.
The man had refused to wear a mask and allegedly assaulted a grocery store employee before driving away, Ontario Provincial Police say.
Police were called to a Valu-Mart in Minden, Ont., just after 8 a.m., OPP Sgt. Jason Folz said.
Officers tried to stop the suspect's car, but they refrained "in the interest of public safety" before doing a follow-up investigation, Folz said.
Ontario's Special Investigations Unit (SIU) said the man drove away, and an officer saw the car and started following it for a short while. Based on the licence plate, officers made their way to a home on Indian Point Road, the SIU said.
2 officers fire guns, says SIU
Outside the home there was an "interaction," and two police officers fired their guns, the SIU said.
Folz said that after shots were fired, "additional resources" were brought to the area near Eagle Lake, by the village of Haliburton, about 215 kilometres northeast of Toronto.
The man was shot and taken to hospital, where he was pronounced dead at 11:47 a.m., the SIU said.
Folz said the victim was from the Eagle Lake area.
In a news release issued Thursday morning, the SIU said investigators had recovered a pistol and a semi-automatic rifle from the scene. The firearms of two police officers were also taken into evidence, the agency said.
Investigators are continuing to search the scene Thursday, the SIU said, and also making attempts to locate the man's next of kin.
A post-mortem examination is set to be conducted Friday morning. Four OPP officers have been designated witnesses to the shooting, and arrangements for interviews are underway, the SIU said.
Tianna Frances, a worker at the Valu-Mart in Minden, says: 'If we didn't have to force him and ... tell him that he couldn't come into the store, nothing would have happened really. He would have got his groceries and went along with his day.' (CBC)
People at the grocery store had concerns about the way the man was driving in the parking lot and on the highway, Folz said.
Tianna Frances, a worker at the Valu-Mart in Minden, said she arrived for her shift at the grocery store shortly after the police were called.
"When I got here everyone was talking about it," Frances said. "My coworkers were a little bit shaken up, yes."
Frances was told that the man didn't want to wear a mask and she and other employees had to explain politely to other customers that an incident had happened earlier when they asked why the police were there.
"I guess he just got angry and didn't want to. We couldn't really deal with that ourselves because it's really against the rules. So we had to call the police and everything," Frances said.
OPP Sgt. Jason Folz could not confirm if the victim had a weapon. (Talia Ricci/CBC)
Frances said workers shouldn't have to enforce the mandatory mask policy issued by the Haliburton, Kawartha, Pine Ridge District Health Unit. The policy, "Use of Non-Medical Masks in Commercial Establishments," took effect on 12:01 am on Monday.
It's causing chaos, she said.
"If we didn't have to force him and ... tell him that he couldn't come into the store, nothing would have happened, really. He would have got his groceries and went along with his day."
WATCH | Enforcing mask rules can present issues around labour rights:
Labour lawyer cautions that enforcing mask policies is likely to cause some conflict
Andrew Monkhouse says companies need to plan for difficult customers with clear policies and training for employees to help reduce tension. 5:26
Lynda Easton, manager of the Valu-Mart in Minden, began to cry when asked about the incident on Wednesday.
"I want to congratulate my staff for how they handled the situation. It was very challenging today. They are the heroes. I don't want to get emotional. They deserve the credit. That's all I want to say," Easton said.
The SIU said four investigators and two forensic investigators have been assigned to the case.
The unit is asking anyone with information to contact the lead investigator at 1-800-787-8529. The SIU is also urging people with any video evidence to upload it through the SIU website.
Earlier on Wednesday, Ontario Provincial Police said they were investigating a "serious criminal matter" near Haliburton.
A sign in the store explains the mandatory face mask policy. (CBC)
On Twitter, the OPP had asked people to stay away from Indian Point Road near Eagle Lake but said there was no concern for public safety.
An OPP official confirmed they had asked people to stay inside while looking for a male suspect in the Indian Point Road area.
The SIU probes incidents involving the police that have resulted in serious injury, death or allegations of sexual assault.
OPP shoot man dead hours after mask dispute leads to alleged assault
Officers called to supermarket in Minden, Ont., on Wednesday morning
CBC News · Posted: Jul 15, 2020 8:40 PM ET | Last Updated: July 16
Police taped off the parking lot of this Valu-Mart grocery store in Minden, Ont., Shortly after 8 a.m. Wednesday, police were called after a man allegedly refused to wear a mask and allegedly assaulted a store employee. (CBC)
Ontario's police watchdog is investigating after officers fatally shot a 73-year-old man in Haliburton County on Wednesday morning.
The man had refused to wear a mask and allegedly assaulted a grocery store employee before driving away, Ontario Provincial Police say.
Police were called to a Valu-Mart in Minden, Ont., just after 8 a.m., OPP Sgt. Jason Folz said.
Officers tried to stop the suspect's car, but they refrained "in the interest of public safety" before doing a follow-up investigation, Folz said.
Ontario's Special Investigations Unit (SIU) said the man drove away, and an officer saw the car and started following it for a short while. Based on the licence plate, officers made their way to a home on Indian Point Road, the SIU said.
2 officers fire guns, says SIU
Outside the home there was an "interaction," and two police officers fired their guns, the SIU said.
Folz said that after shots were fired, "additional resources" were brought to the area near Eagle Lake, by the village of Haliburton, about 215 kilometres northeast of Toronto.
The man was shot and taken to hospital, where he was pronounced dead at 11:47 a.m., the SIU said.
Folz said the victim was from the Eagle Lake area.
In a news release issued Thursday morning, the SIU said investigators had recovered a pistol and a semi-automatic rifle from the scene. The firearms of two police officers were also taken into evidence, the agency said.
Investigators are continuing to search the scene Thursday, the SIU said, and also making attempts to locate the man's next of kin.
A post-mortem examination is set to be conducted Friday morning. Four OPP officers have been designated witnesses to the shooting, and arrangements for interviews are underway, the SIU said.
Tianna Frances, a worker at the Valu-Mart in Minden, says: 'If we didn't have to force him and ... tell him that he couldn't come into the store, nothing would have happened really. He would have got his groceries and went along with his day.' (CBC)
People at the grocery store had concerns about the way the man was driving in the parking lot and on the highway, Folz said.
Tianna Frances, a worker at the Valu-Mart in Minden, said she arrived for her shift at the grocery store shortly after the police were called.
"When I got here everyone was talking about it," Frances said. "My coworkers were a little bit shaken up, yes."
Frances was told that the man didn't want to wear a mask and she and other employees had to explain politely to other customers that an incident had happened earlier when they asked why the police were there.
"I guess he just got angry and didn't want to. We couldn't really deal with that ourselves because it's really against the rules. So we had to call the police and everything," Frances said.
OPP Sgt. Jason Folz could not confirm if the victim had a weapon. (Talia Ricci/CBC)
Frances said workers shouldn't have to enforce the mandatory mask policy issued by the Haliburton, Kawartha, Pine Ridge District Health Unit. The policy, "Use of Non-Medical Masks in Commercial Establishments," took effect on 12:01 am on Monday.
It's causing chaos, she said.
"If we didn't have to force him and ... tell him that he couldn't come into the store, nothing would have happened, really. He would have got his groceries and went along with his day."
WATCH | Enforcing mask rules can present issues around labour rights:
Labour lawyer cautions that enforcing mask policies is likely to cause some conflict
- 21 hours ago
- 5:26
Andrew Monkhouse says companies need to plan for difficult customers with clear policies and training for employees to help reduce tension. 5:26
Lynda Easton, manager of the Valu-Mart in Minden, began to cry when asked about the incident on Wednesday.
"I want to congratulate my staff for how they handled the situation. It was very challenging today. They are the heroes. I don't want to get emotional. They deserve the credit. That's all I want to say," Easton said.
The SIU said four investigators and two forensic investigators have been assigned to the case.
The unit is asking anyone with information to contact the lead investigator at 1-800-787-8529. The SIU is also urging people with any video evidence to upload it through the SIU website.
Earlier on Wednesday, Ontario Provincial Police said they were investigating a "serious criminal matter" near Haliburton.
A sign in the store explains the mandatory face mask policy. (CBC)
On Twitter, the OPP had asked people to stay away from Indian Point Road near Eagle Lake but said there was no concern for public safety.
An OPP official confirmed they had asked people to stay inside while looking for a male suspect in the Indian Point Road area.
The SIU probes incidents involving the police that have resulted in serious injury, death or allegations of sexual assault.
I was away... thanks for looking into this subject of asymptomatic transmission.
So your article presented circumstantial evidence of one potential instance of asymptomatic transmission?
Did I read that correctly?
So your article presented circumstantial evidence of one potential instance of asymptomatic transmission?
Did I read that correctly?
Attached below is a letter to the editor at NEJM.org by German doctors concerning Asymptomatic infection:
CORRESPONDENCE
Transmission of 2019-nCoV Infection from an Asymptomatic Contact in Germany
TO THE EDITOR:
The novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) from Wuhan is currently causing concern in the medical community as the virus is spreading around the world.1 Since identification of the virus in late December 2019, the number of cases from China that have been imported into other countries is on the rise, and the epidemiologic picture is changing on a daily basis. We are reporting a case of 2019-nCoV infection acquired outside Asia in which transmission appears to have occurred during the incubation period in the index patient.
A 33-year-old otherwise healthy German businessman (Patient 1) became ill with a sore throat, chills, and myalgias on January 24, 2020. The following day, a fever of 39.1°C (102.4°F) developed, along with a productive cough. By the evening of the next day, he started feeling better and went back to work on January 27.
Figure 1.Timeline of Exposure to Index Patient with Asymptomatic 2019-CoV Infection in Germany.
Before the onset of symptoms, he had attended meetings with a Chinese business partner at his company near Munich on January 20 and 21. The business partner, a Shanghai resident, had visited Germany between January 19 and 22. During her stay, she had been well with no signs or symptoms of infection but had become ill on her flight back to China, where she tested positive for 2019-nCoV on January 26 (index patient in Figure 1) (see Supplementary Appendix, available at NEJM.org, for details on the timeline of symptom development leading to hospitalization).
On January 27, she informed the company about her illness. Contact tracing was started, and the above-mentioned colleague was sent to the Division of Infectious Diseases and Tropical Medicine in Munich for further assessment. At presentation, he was afebrile and well. He reported no previous or chronic illnesses and had no history of foreign travel within 14 days before the onset of symptoms. Two nasopharyngeal swabs and one sputum sample were obtained and were found to be positive for 2019-nCoV on quantitative reverse-transcriptase–polymerase-chain-reaction (qRT-PCR) assay.2 Follow-up qRT-PCR assay revealed a high viral load of 108 copies per milliliter in his sputum during the following days, with the last available result on January 29.
On January 28, three additional employees at the company tested positive for 2019-nCoV (Patients 2 through 4 in Figure 1). Of these patients, only Patient 2 had contact with the index patient; the other two patients had contact only with Patient 1. In accordance with the health authorities, all the patients with confirmed 2019-nCoV infection were admitted to a Munich infectious diseases unit for clinical monitoring and isolation. So far, none of the four confirmed patients show signs of severe clinical illness.
This case of 2019-nCoV infection was diagnosed in Germany and transmitted outside Asia. However, it is notable that the infection appears to have been transmitted during the incubation period of the index patient, in whom the illness was brief and nonspecific.3
The fact that asymptomatic persons are potential sources of 2019-nCoV infection may warrant a reassessment of transmission dynamics of the current outbreak. In this context, the detection of 2019-nCoV and a high sputum viral load in a convalescent patient (Patient 1) arouse concern about prolonged shedding of 2019-nCoV after recovery. Yet, the viability of 2019-nCoV detected on qRT-PCR in this patient remains to be proved by means of viral culture.
Despite these concerns, all four patients who were seen in Munich have had mild cases and were hospitalized primarily for public health purposes. Since hospital capacities are limited — in particular, given the concurrent peak of the influenza season in the northern hemisphere — research is needed to determine whether such patients can be treated with appropriate guidance and oversight outside the hospital.
Camilla Rothe, M.D.
Mirjam Schunk, M.D.
Peter Sothmann, M.D.
Gisela Bretzel, M.D.
Guenter Froeschl, M.D.
Claudia Wallrauch, M.D.
Thorbjörn Zimmer, M.D.
Verena Thiel, M.D.
Christian Janke, M.D.
University Hospital LMU Munich, Munich, Germany
rothe@lrz.uni-muenchen.de
Wolfgang Guggemos, M.D.
Michael Seilmaier, M.D.
Klinikum München-Schwabing, Munich, Germany
Christian Drosten, M.D.
Charité Universitätsmedizin Berlin, Berlin, Germany
Patrick Vollmar, M.D.
Katrin Zwirglmaier, Ph.D.
Sabine Zange, M.D.
Roman Wölfel, M.D.
Bundeswehr Institute of Microbiology, Munich, Germany
Michael Hoelscher, M.D., Ph.D.
University Hospital LMU Munich, Munich, Germany
Disclosure forms provided by the authors are available with the full text of this letter at NEJM.org.
This letter was published on January 30, 2020, and updated on February 6, 2020, at NEJM.org.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2001468?query=featured_coronavirus
NYF for Poutine is a big mistake.
Need to hit one of the wagons en route to the lake.
I am beginning to question the relevance of asymptomatic transmission myself. The overriding consideration to me is the period of time that someone who has Covid symptoms takes appropriate actions to minimize the chance of spreading it to others. Although I personally always wear a mask in public, It would take me probably about 6 hours after having any flu symptoms, except fever, before I took extraordinary actions such as isolation. Fever related chills would mean immediate isolation. I will not go in public if I believe I could be infected by Covid, even wearing a mask, unless it was urgent.
If everyone committed to the same philosophy as I have for the last 4 weeks, where do you think the pandemic would be now?
I think you are on to something. If sick people stayed home we would be a lot better off. (and if govt were tracing super spreaders... this virus would be contained by now.)
So, this is where the research has taken me.
1. No evidence of significant asymptomatic transmission
2. No evidence of significant aerosol transmission.
3. it's probably multiple droplets indoors and gobs of virus you touch that can lead to significant exposure.
4. The studies I have read in the last two days indicate viral load and duration may create a difference in outcomes. (relative to what your immune system can fight.)
Hence... for people with good immune systems... wearing mask outdoors may be detrimental.
Wearing a mask indoors may not really be useful unless you could be exposed to a high viral load over a long period of time.
(and this all presumes masks are efficacious and I still have not seen any studies which say masks alone do anything that social distancing does not.)
And I think we can be sure dirty masks with Covid breathed into them for a few minutes are going to be more dangerous in some situations than no masks.
So, this is where the research has taken me.
1. No evidence of significant asymptomatic transmission
2. No evidence of significant aerosol transmission.
3. it's probably multiple droplets indoors and gobs of virus you touch that can lead to significant exposure.
4. The studies I have read in the last two days indicate viral load and duration may create a difference in outcomes. (relative to what your immune system can fight.)
Hence... for people with good immune systems... wearing mask outdoors may be detrimental.
Wearing a mask indoors may not really be useful unless you could be exposed to a high viral load over a long period of time.
(and this all presumes masks are efficacious and I still have not seen any studies which say masks alone do anything that social distancing does not.)
And I think we can be sure dirty masks with Covid breathed into them for a few minutes are going to be more dangerous in some situations than no masks.
Types of viruses and long term implications on human health.
A virus functions by infecting, “Persuading” its host, hijacking the host’s resources to replicate itself, “Utilization” and to spread to other hosts, “Purpose”.
Viruses come in several forms. There are viruses that affect biological systems, software operating systems, and social systems.
This post will talk about viruses that affect social systems.
A social virus in this context can begin naturally, through random variations of human reactions to certain events. When humans react atypically to an event, they are sometimes called “Manias”.
A social virus can also be engineered. One can look at the religion or Communism as a social virus. The common imperatives of all virus types is, again, to infect or “Persuade”, to hijack or “Utilize the host’s resources”, for the purposes of spreading and gaining influence.
AIDS has the unique attribute of targeting the immune system. The anti-mask(Anti-PPE) rhetoric we are seeing on social media is a social virus engineered by an entity in order to discourage people from taking protective action in the face of a global pandemic.
We can look at this situation as a virus within a virus. A social virus within a biological virus helping the spread of the biological virus.
Who is behind this and what are their underlying objectives?
Is it the Trump Adminstration behind this anti-PPE social virus as some form of disease mismanagement denial?
Is it Radical Leftists who see the continued spread of Covid-19 as their ticket to power because it highlights Trump’s mismanagement, continues to adversely affect the economy, and provides them a slight demographic advantage as older voters are “Attenuated” by the Covid-19?
So we have a social virus on a systemic scale(Trumpism or Radical Leftists) that engineered a anti-PPE social virus for the purpose of either deflecting blame or creating blame, all while helping the spread of the biological virus, Covid-19.
Which scenario above makes more sense to you?
One might argue social viruses are more likely to take hold when society is weak and vulnerable, when its immune system of laws and enforcement are compromised, when people don’t feel represented by their elected officials.
So what are our treatment options?
1. Palliative: It seems to me trying to maintain the status quo of the last few years only delays our inevitable systemic failure. However, ensuring our system survives 2020 may buy us more time to figure out an effective, more durable treatment option.
2. Aggressive Reforms: Seems awfully late in the election cycle for this, but a well put together and explained plan by Trump with instantaneous implimentation might still be effective at saving our system.
3. Let the social virus take its course: The Radical Leftists are far more intellectually agile than Moderates and Conservatives, as shown by their initiative and effectiveness bringing our system to its knees. Perhaps we should let go and root for the virus?
Whatever the outcome, may it be the result of the informed consent of the people.
Do you own research, think things through, don’t ever let anybody do your thinking for you, and after reaching a decision, taking decisive action.
A virus functions by infecting, “Persuading” its host, hijacking the host’s resources to replicate itself, “Utilization” and to spread to other hosts, “Purpose”.
Viruses come in several forms. There are viruses that affect biological systems, software operating systems, and social systems.
This post will talk about viruses that affect social systems.
A social virus in this context can begin naturally, through random variations of human reactions to certain events. When humans react atypically to an event, they are sometimes called “Manias”.
A social virus can also be engineered. One can look at the religion or Communism as a social virus. The common imperatives of all virus types is, again, to infect or “Persuade”, to hijack or “Utilize the host’s resources”, for the purposes of spreading and gaining influence.
AIDS has the unique attribute of targeting the immune system. The anti-mask(Anti-PPE) rhetoric we are seeing on social media is a social virus engineered by an entity in order to discourage people from taking protective action in the face of a global pandemic.
We can look at this situation as a virus within a virus. A social virus within a biological virus helping the spread of the biological virus.
Who is behind this and what are their underlying objectives?
Is it the Trump Adminstration behind this anti-PPE social virus as some form of disease mismanagement denial?
Is it Radical Leftists who see the continued spread of Covid-19 as their ticket to power because it highlights Trump’s mismanagement, continues to adversely affect the economy, and provides them a slight demographic advantage as older voters are “Attenuated” by the Covid-19?
So we have a social virus on a systemic scale(Trumpism or Radical Leftists) that engineered a anti-PPE social virus for the purpose of either deflecting blame or creating blame, all while helping the spread of the biological virus, Covid-19.
Which scenario above makes more sense to you?
One might argue social viruses are more likely to take hold when society is weak and vulnerable, when its immune system of laws and enforcement are compromised, when people don’t feel represented by their elected officials.
So what are our treatment options?
1. Palliative: It seems to me trying to maintain the status quo of the last few years only delays our inevitable systemic failure. However, ensuring our system survives 2020 may buy us more time to figure out an effective, more durable treatment option.
2. Aggressive Reforms: Seems awfully late in the election cycle for this, but a well put together and explained plan by Trump with instantaneous implimentation might still be effective at saving our system.
3. Let the social virus take its course: The Radical Leftists are far more intellectually agile than Moderates and Conservatives, as shown by their initiative and effectiveness bringing our system to its knees. Perhaps we should let go and root for the virus?
Whatever the outcome, may it be the result of the informed consent of the people.
Do you own research, think things through, don’t ever let anybody do your thinking for you, and after reaching a decision, taking decisive action.
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