The effect of a border wall

[Ditch]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-28/trump-wrong-about-border-wall-one-stunning-chart-has-answer

Several European countries have erected fences to keep migrants out, and, according to the numbers, every case appears to have a large impact.

Hungary was a popular pathway for refugees on their way to Germany during the fall. When the daily illegal border crossings were at 7,000 per day, Prime Minister Viktor Orban decided to erect a fence along the border to Serbia and Croatia.

The result speaks for itself:




Illegal border crossings in Hungary in October, 2015. (Hungarian Police/The Daily Caller News Foundation)

When the fence went up Oct. 17, the influx went down to 870 from 6,353 only a day earlier. Illegal border crossing were steadily below 40 per day throughout the rest of the month. The number picked up slightly in February, after migrants destroyed part of the fence, but it remains in the low hundreds.

Another successful example is Macedonia — the first step on the Balkan route, which separates Greece from the rest of the EU.Macedonia had more than 60,000 migrants enter the country in January. The migrant influx was cut significantly, leaving tens of thousands stranded in Greece. The desperation among refugees led to clashes with Macedonian military in late February.




Germany’s rising anti-immigration party, Alternative fur Deutschland (AfD), proposed a fence along its border in March.

AfD leader Joerg Meuthen mentioned several examples where fences work, particularly in Spain, where it forces North African migrants to take a long detour to get to Europe.

“They have to go around the Mediterranean” to find a way in, Meuthen said at a rally, according to news agency AFP. “Yes, fences have an impact.”

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Of course, as we previously noted that it wasn't just the fence that kept them out of Hungary... it was the tear gas, water cannons, and baton beatings AT the fence.



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[Tsing Tao]

Unpossible!

 

[ETcallhome]

The effect of a "border wall" (you do realize we are not talking about a physical wall, right?) is a total change in the thinking of America. It is based on the realization that no matter how great we are, a lot of our people just like to "work". And I mean work in the old fashioned way. They like to work with their hands and their body and burn off energy each day. That's what makes them happy. And we have always guranteed their right to pursue happiness.
So, we as a country have to decide if we are always going to cater to those who just like to make more and more money, or give a little back to those that like to make things.

A ball point pen made in America would cost about $20. But if the only pen you could buy in America was Made in USA, well that would just be how it goes. The old conservative capitalism incentive argument is breaking down when it finally comes to maturity and it is time for the investors to start living off the long hard waited for dividends. And one of our dividends today is a USA happy man can work making things or doing things which could easily be done much cheaper by less evolved economies and make the kind of living he always dreamed of, which isn't much, a house, a car, maybe a boat or a vacation or a motorcycle, or a musical instrument, or a trip to a place, or a course in poetry, or just a big garden.

The government can't change natural capitalistic law. It has existed since the beginning of time. Buy low sell high. But the government can tip the scales. Always tipping the scales for more and more money sounds good because we all like money and it trickles down. But the government can also tip the scales for more and more happiness. It's right in there in one of those documents. Life liberty and the pursuit of happpiness. Look it up.

 

[OddTrader]

Life liberty and the pursuit of happpiness.

Great vision indeed!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life,_Liberty_and_the_pursuit_of_Happiness

The Committee of Five edited Jefferson's draft. Their version survived further edits by the whole Congress intact, and reads:[6]

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. ——

 

[Handle123]

I would love to see a wall, I own land along the border, and use to be much more coming through each night, now it "just" 20-30 a night. I have had so much stolen or destroyed, I had to buy 25 mean ass dogs to patrol certain areas, but at least now Border Patrol call now before they go on my land, dogs don't know one group from another.

 

[Scataphagos]

I would love to see a wall, I own land along the border, and use to be much more coming through each night, now it "just" 20-30 a night. I have had so much stolen or destroyed, I had to buy 25 mean ass dogs to patrol certain areas, but at least now Border Patrol call now before they go on my land, dogs don't know one group from another.

I say...

(1) Put up a BIIIIG wall

(2) Shoot anybody who crosses the wall (either you have a sovereign "border" or you don't)

After about 50,000 of the bastards are shot down, perhaps the rest will consider..."maybe I shouldn't invade America"

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

I frankly don't understand the objections to a wall, except that it might work. The people who say it is a terrible idea that won't work are the same people who want open borders and who have done nothing to stop the invasion. Their criticism lacks a certain credibility.

 

[Handle123]

I frankly don't understand the objections to a wall, except that it might work. The people who say it is a terrible idea that won't work are the same people who want open borders and who have done nothing to stop the invasion. Their criticism lacks a certain credibility.

I think you are right, and people who don't want wall has not lost anything, have them out there at night trying to stop Mexicans and they most likely get shot by all those who smuggle in dope and slave labor. It is not a family of four who want better life going over my property, it is people what are doing for huge money.

And I would be arrested if I shot any of them as you have to post in English and Spanish so many feet, and they will just keep coming. The dogs do a very decent job now, they rip up a number of them, gives those who look after my land time to call Border Patrol for easy pickup.

 

[Ricter]

"Border walls have shown some temporary successes. According to the Department of Homeland Security, there has been a plunge in the number of apprehensions of illegal migrants on the U.S. southern border—where over 700 of the border’s 2,000 miles are now fenced off— from over 1.6 million in 2000 to around 400,000 in 2014. “There is no doubt that building the fence, putting in drones and of the smart border technology, like cameras and sensors, has made it much harder to cross the border,” says Reece Jones, the author of Border Walls: Security And The War On Terror In The United States, India, And Israel. "

http://time.com/4080637/this-is-why-border-fences-dont-work/

 

[ETcallhome]

I think you are right, and people who don't want wall has not lost anything, have them out there at night trying to stop Mexicans and they most likely get shot by all those who smuggle in dope and slave labor. It is not a family of four who want better life going over my property, it is people what are doing for huge money.

And I would be arrested if I shot any of them as you have to post in English and Spanish so many feet, and they will just keep coming. The dogs do a very decent job now, they rip up a number of them, gives those who look after my land time to call Border Patrol for easy pickup.

ok, but before you build a wall, why not first legalize drugs, and then they will be hauling on the interstate where they belong and not wasting time and energy walking across your land.