The economic impact of the current Exodus from the United States.

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July 16, 2008

SouthAmerica: Last Thursday I had lunch at a Brazilian Restaurant in Newark, New Jersey.
he said I have been working with the same group of people in construction for many years that includes 10 Brazilian illegal immigrants including myself – but 8 of the guys are in the process of selling everything and they have their tickets on hand and they are ready to return to Brazil with no plans to return to the US.

He told me that he is also thinking about going back to Brazil permanently since based on his experience and the experience of his friends it was not worth staying here anymore to work as an illegal immigrant.

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I just wanted to add to the conversation and add these points, just using exerpts from your dialogue...

1) We as legalized or naturalized citizens of the US can not really be concerned with the status or condition of those here illegally as to whether they are leaving or finding it easier to leave, as we simply view them and their employers, who

1a) knowingly hire these illegal citizens, if they can be called such, are taking away jobs and stability from US citizens, whether or not they want those jobs

1b) those employers seeking to hire those illegals violate the laws in place both to protect and raise our collective standards of living, through those protections, taxes, services and such

1c) those employers doing this hiring need to be strung up and dealt with to the full extent of the punishments that the laws allow

2) as citizens of the US, whether we turn a blind eye (meaning tolerate and allow through lack of active enforcement) to this condition of illegal immigrants are all disadvantaged because just like any economic or physical engine having a puncture in its combustion chamber, never achieves full combustion, so too, our economic engine does not achieve its proper compliance from employers, employees, taxes and services, consumer protection laws and regulations and such

2a) these illegal immigrants help to break the system, and now that its so damaged, like rats off the sinking ship, they are fleeing, should what?

cause us who always said, its wrong, to feel regret that they too can no longer bleed a living away from law abiding employers, jobs, landlords or otherwise?

its no wonder that no one really cares and hope that fewer illegals will reduce the (illegal) competition for jobs, services (medical, schools, etc.) from those of us paying our FULL share.....
 
So our brilliant plan to depress the economy until the Brazilians leave is finally working! How long until we can start growing again?

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July 16, 2008

SouthAmerica: Last Thursday I had lunch at a Brazilian Restaurant in Newark, New Jersey.

When I am by myself I sit at the counter and pay attention to the conversations going on around me. About half the people or the number could be even higher of the people who are the regular customers of these restaurants around Newark are illegal immigrants.

I like to hear what they are saying for me to understand things from their point of view.

The place is huge and over the years I went for lunch to this place often and I could see how busy they were and most of the time at lunchtime it was hard to find a table or a sit at the counter.

This time around the restaurant was completely dead at the peak of lunch hour. They had about 5 people sitting on the counter including myself and out of 50 tables there were about 3 tables with customers.

I started talking with the fellow who was sitting next to me at the counter. And I found out that he was an illegal immigrant who had been working around Newark in construction for the last 5 years.

He was telling me how the construction business is getting very slow and he can’t make enough money to survive here in the US. Then I asked him why he does not got back to Brazil?

He told me it is interesting that you asked me that question – he said I have been working with the same group of people in construction for many years that includes 10 Brazilian illegal immigrants including myself – but 8 of the guys are in the process of selling everything and they have their tickets on hand and they are ready to return to Brazil with no plans to return to the US.

He told me that he is also thinking about going back to Brazil permanently since based on his experience and the experience of his friends it was not worth staying here anymore to work as an illegal immigrant.

I was not surprised by what this fellow told during our conversation.

But I also spoke with the manager of the restaurant and he told me that they had had a large customer decline for the last year, but he thought that gas price was the culprit for that kind of decline on their business. But he was aware that a lot Brazilians were going back to Brazil for good and that was also having an impact on his business in a negative way.
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Limitdown: I just wanted to add to the conversation and add these points, just using exerpts from your dialogue...


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July 16, 2008

SouthAmerica: Reply to Limitdown

You listed all this information trying to imply that I had posted them, but not a single point that you described on the above posting you took from any of my postings.

You did pick information from other people’s postings and these people probably will answer your questions.

I am more concerned with the fact that if we push all these illegal immigrants away from the US who is going to do their jobs. Here where I live we have a crew of about 20 Mexicans and Central Americans – I believe most of them are illegal immigrants, and most of them can’t speak English – but these guys clean the snow during the winter time, and they cut the grass and keep the place clean the rest of the year. It does not bother me that they are illegal immigrants as long as the work gets done. By the way, they do a very good job around here.


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Black Diamond: So our brilliant plan to depress the economy until the Brazilians leave is finally working! How long until we can start growing again?


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SouthAmerica: I have no plan to depress the US economy. Besides the Bush administration does not need help from anyone to screw up the entire American economic system – they are experts in that area. Incompetence like that is very hard to come along anywhere around the world maybe in Congo/Zaire or Zimbabwe they can match that level of incompetence.
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Ah, the brazilian idiot speaks again..

The fact that you constantly pump Brazil and dump the US, while you work in the US, does not give you much credibility, you know?

I am sure that if you overheard some immigrants who talked about success they were having here, you would run to post it here, NOT!!!
 
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July 31, 2008

SouthAmerica: I have been mentioning for a long time on this forum about the exodus of illegal immigrants from the United States – finally the US mainstream media started grasping the trend that is going on for a while.

I hate to bring this up but this exodus of Americans and also of illegal immigrants has a major economic impact on the United States. You can bet that the exodus is affecting in a negative way the local economy of many towns around the country including everything related to real estate, to local businesses, and local economic activity in general. Never mind the loss of human capital.

It seems to me that everybody is trying to leave the Titanic.

Today I was reading the latest issue of U.S. News and World Report magazine (Aug 4 – 11, 2008) and they had an special articles as Social trends: “The Quiet Exodus” by Jay Tolson.

The article said that there are: “…4 to 7 million the number of non-government- employed Americans living abroad – and 1.6 million households had already determined to relocate abroad; 1.8 million households were seriously considering such a move while 7.7 million more were somewhat seriously contemplating it.

…More interesting, the biggest number of relocating households is not those people in or approaching retirement but those adults ranging from 25 to 34 years old…"


The U.S. News and World Report article is referring to an exodus of Americans at their prime age.

The article below it is about the exodus that has been going on for a while of illegal immigrants.

Just keep in mind that the illegal immigrants represent the canary on the coal mine.

The last one to leave the country please turn off the lights.


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Is U.S. losing its appeal for illegal immigrants?
REPORT CLAIMS POPULATION HAS DROPPED IN PAST YEAR
By Mike Swift
San Jose Mercury News
Published: 07/31/2008 01:31:02 AM PDT

With a stagnating economy and hundreds of miles of new fences along the Mexican border, the United States - and California - may have become a less inviting destination for illegal immigrants from Latin America.

Two key signals - an unprecedented slowdown in money sent by immigrants back to Mexico, and a new report that claims the nation's illegal immigrant population has dropped significantly since last summer - indicate a possible change.

Still, the evidence is not strong in the Bay Area, where the economy is more robust than in the rest of the state, and where local immigrant groups said they see little or no local evidence of an exodus of undocumented residents.

In a study released Wednesday in Washington, D.C., the Center for Immigration Studies, a group that favors tighter curbs on immigration, said a weaker economy and aggressive immigration enforcement have prompted many immigrants to return home to Mexico and other countries.

"Illegals are responding to changing conditions in the United States and are going home in significant numbers," said Steven Camarota, director of research for the center and co-author of the report, which was based on U.S. Census Bureau data.

… The last official government estimate of the undocumented population was for January 2006, when the U.S. Department of Homeland Security said 11.5 million illegal immigrants were in the United States - a 37 percent increase since 2000. With 2.8 million undocumented residents, California had the largest such population of any state, but California's illegal immigrant population grew by 13 percent from 2000 to 2006.

The Center for Immigration Studies report said the number of illegal immigrants in the United States peaked at 12.5 million people in August 2007, and had declined by 11 percent, or about 1.3 million people, since then. California's percentage drop was about the same as the nation's, Camarota said in an interview.

More than two-thirds of the nation's illegal immigrant population is from Mexico and other Latin American countries, according to the Homeland Security study. Because the Census Bureau does not ask about a person's immigration status, Camarota used the population of young Latinos with low levels of education to estimate the nation's illegal immigrant population…

Source: http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_10052763

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You know why exodus(illegals)??? Besides that it's a good thing.
ON THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL LEVEL, AMERICANS FINALLY STARTED TO ENFORCE THE LAWS
I am not saying it's the only reason but major part of it.
Demonstrations and waving Mexican flags didn't do them any good, did it? Those people were so fucking stupid that they needed their handlers to explain that american flags would be better choice.LOL.
 
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July 31, 2008

SouthAmerica: Reply to Cesko

Part of the reason is that in many states they started enforcing the old laws, but also they created new ones such as it is almost impossible for illegal immigrants to renew their driver license. In some communities before you can rent a property you have to prove that you are legal in the US.

The value of the US dollar also created a major problem for illegal immigrants since when they sent money back home to their families the declining US dollar they were sending less and less money and got to a point that they were better of returning to their countries – that is the case for most Brazilians.

But at the end of the day, the major reason that has forced many illegal immigrants to return to their country is the US labor market – and millions of these illegal immigrants work in the construction industry – and that industry is completely dead in the US right now.

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Uncle Sam says "Don't let the door hit ya in the ass"

I'm short this market 6 ways to Sunday. We got fat and lazy, we are overextended and due for a big correction. But when the shit hits the fan, there is no tougher nation. Good luck to you and your friends in the third world.
 
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July 31, 2008

South America: -and millions of these illegal immigrants work in the construction industry – and that industry is completely dead in the US right now.

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So basically now that we dont have illegals to keeping building new homes, there will be no more new homes flooded on the market and house prices will suddenly start to go up much quicker as there is no new inventory for the re-sale homes to compete with. How is this a bad thing?

The sky is not falling Chicken Little, despite the fact that some of your brazilian countrymen are getting hit in the head with apples.
 
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July 31, 2008

SouthAmerica: I have been mentioning for a long time on this forum about the exodus of illegal immigrants from the United States – finally the US mainstream media started grasping the trend that is going on for a while.

I hate to bring this up but
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southamerica AKA "Brazil rocks, But I live in the USA" and his leadership role on the brazilian economy...

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