The Day Trading Thread

So you watched 3 failed breakdowns at consecutive lower lows and then you got into a long and exited before price tested the day's highs? Nice trade, but do you see living in the moment had you blind even to where today's highs were and the fact that there are stops above that level that will propel price higher giving you more profits?

Foreground - I think its going up
Background - Stops above high of day

Hello They,

Thank you for input

I waited for High of day to be reached. When price approaches a support or resistance, I always go to the one minute chart to see rather to hold or exit. I exited because of the hammer at black line High of day area.

That is good point regarding sell stops above high of day. I reckon those bears had to exit causing this big move.

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yes i hear what you say and agree - i am just saying that if you take that data and spread it out to make it smoother and then use contraction to locate just a few explosive possibilities.

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MarkBrown,

What type of trader are you? Price action trader or automated trader?
 
volpri < there is the best help you have gotten right there - obvious he knows the style you are trading. there is some art to line trading and juggling many possibilities in your head and he explains it very well.
MarkBrown,

Yes volpri has helped me alllll the time. He is discretionary price action trader as well. We trade similar, but he is better a reading chart than I am and he handles trade management well.
 
Using your chart let me show you something you may be missing. A symmetrical triangle we know is just a channel with converging lines. The bears and bulls are about equal in the pressures they are exerting. That is why the pattern forms. However, the pressure is also BUILDING on both sides. Price will not stay in this pattern. There WILL be a BO. It is 50/50 in either direction. UNLESS you look at the context within which the triangle has formed and the triangles location within the larger context.

Usually the BO will be in the direction of the larger context. But, we must also remember any BO will be followed by an attempt by the other side to make the BO fail. And often, the BO WILL fail and the triangle just becomes the final flag in a bear trend (in this case) jbefore a reversal takes place.

Ok ... look at this chart of yours with these concepts in mind. We can’t see all the context but the immediate context is a bear channel (I drew in the bottom channel line).

In this case the apex is at the top of the bear channel. The expected BO attempt would likely be south (converging patterns here...channel and triangle). So, to short is the higher probability trade. What is a logical PT? Somewhere in the bottom third of the channel.

Then what? Cover and reverse and go long. If I did so and the long position goes against me I would just add to the losing position. Why? BO’s out of a channel fail most of the time and price will go back into the channel. So, if I averaged down on the long I would exit around the middle of the channel. Why not the top for the exit? Because it is a bear channel so pressure is down and I wouldn’t try to capture alot of profit. If I went long at the bottom of the channel and did not need to average down and price reverses up I might hold and exit in the top third of the channel.



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So what happened?

Price broke south out of Apex and traded into the bottom third (dashed blue lines) of the bear channel then reversed back up on that green bull bar into the top third of the channel and (even though you don’t show it in your chart) I suspect it went on up into the top third of the channel and maybe even further as the bulls pushed back against the BO of the triangle (trying to make it fail).

As mentioned earlier this is how I would trade this. My opinion only.

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BOTTOM LINE: any pattern I am considering trading I want to see where it is or has formed at within the larger pattern and what type of pattern the larger pattern is. In addition, at times I will look at a smaller TF and a larger TF than the one I am placing trades in and which contains the pattern i am attempting to trade. Converging patterns can give a better edge. NOT EVERY SYMMETRICAL TRIANGLE IS EQUAL IN PRESSURES IN TERMS OF DIRECTIONAL MOVEMENT ALTHOUGH THE VERY TRIANGLE ITSELF IS EQUAL IN PRESSURES AND THAT IS WHY IT IS SYMMETRICAL. Maybe this will make sense or could be it just muddies the waters for some traders?? Anyways it is my opinion and how I would trade this. But I am a scalper and a discretional one at that.
Thank you very much volpri,

Lol, You already know, I have to spend a hour or so digesting your response. I will respond after work tonight.
 
That is good point regarding sell stops above high of day. I reckon those bears had to exit causing this big move.

I pretty much view price action as a succession of stop running on micro and macro time frames. At what level are stops that will cause the market to go there? Once there, what are the quantity of stops being hit (intraday/multiday)? Does big money find value at that level enough to initiate trades in the opposite direction causing a reversal and propelling the market back through another series of stops using them as exits/payments for the risk they took on.
 
then why are you here......there is no analyst or professional educator in the world who publishes income and broker's statements.

there is only one analyst and trader that i know of,and i read my first technical analysis book in 1994, that declares his trades as he makes them, to his subscribers and that is David Fuller.

you may like to see some things and i also like to receive a million usd.....best of luck to us both

You are not correct.

Ross Cameron at Warrior Trading has a live trading room, has documented his entire run from $583 to 1+ million, showing brokerage statements. He still briefs all the trades he takes every day on his YouTube Channel if you're not a chatroom member (I'm not, never will be). But like I've said before, he makes many millions per year from his trading education biz so the trading is more like advertising as far as its significance to his total income.

What's more incredulous to me though is that you're 62, have 30+ years of self-professed market experience, and yet someone had to explain to you this week what range bars were. Sheesh.
 
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