The Darkest Storm is About to Descend - You Can't Imagine the Carnage

Quote from SteveD:

do you really think the lender wants to force the owner into foreclosure.....get a grip...


SteveD

Ummm thats exactly whats happening all around the country. the people on the ground floor that deal with the foreclosures don't really have the companies best interest in mind. They are governed by a set of rules...rules that were probably developed years ago and that actually arent working at all in the companies favor right now. they dont have the people, knowledge, or money to look at every foreclosure and work out a deal with the borrower that will be better for both the lender and borrower.

e.g. john smith lost his job in real estate and now can only pay 80% of his mortgage payment. he calls the lender and says either he has to foreclose, or the interest rate has to drop. a foreclosure is expensive enough, especially now when the bank will only get 75% of what they financed 3 years ago...but they people that make the decision don't have the resources to look at the situation and do whats in the best interest of the bank...they do what they were trained to do 3 or 4 years ago, they foreclose and instead of losing some profit, they take a huge loss. oh and guess what, this loan may not have been subprime
 
ByLoSellHi, I agree with everything you said. There are so many properties in default that have yet to be foreclosed upon.

However don't underestimate Paulson and Co.
 
That's fine. Let's just play the tape just like March - May :D

Just a reminder, JPM's Dimon said that prime is in trouble. Read AXP's CC (I read it in Forbes) - people with higher credit score > 650 are showing some problems too. I almost fell off my chair after I read that.
 
Financials are about to submit to another round of merciless beatings.

Retailers won't be far behind. Everything goes on sale when no one has any cash.
 
Quote from 2ticks:

Bullshit! What was being looked at in October 2007?

2ticks don't mind him, he still believes what CNBC tells him(brainwashes).

"The market has priced it in"

"The market is forward-looking"

"The market prices in 6 months going forward"

Comedy.
 
Quote from ByLoSellHi:

Financials are about to submit to another round of merciless beatings.

Retailers won't be far behind. Everything goes on sale when no one has any cash.


Great thread ByLoSellHi I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts as dramatic and dark as they may be, I for one don't shy away from it anymore...
 
Quote from ByLoSellHi:

Let me tell you something. You think you know that things will get bad with the banks, right?

I mean, there's been doom & gloom all over the news, and predictions of bank failures by the hundreds, right?

You are all prepared, right? Nothing will shock you?

Things are 100x worse than what anyone has publicly been saying.

How do I know this? It's not insider information. It's not a national secret. It's not privileged, nor confidential information.

I have two very friends that work for two different law firms, and they have been taken out of their regular practice areas and reassigned to the foreclosures department.

Most of you have ZERO clue as to how many PROPERTIES (not just residential homes, but commercial, retail, office and industrial) are being foreclosed upon.

They are both telling me that their firms can't hire paralegals or attorneys fast enough to handle the onslaught, and that the senior most partners at their firms view this as unprecedented.

It's so bad, and these people are anything but lazy, that they are considering quitting their jobs. They both refer to it as a black hole. They have told me stories of people just quitting on the spot, in the middle of the day, as a frequent occurrence.

If you have access to any database that lists foreclosed properties, you would be stunned at the broad array of properties - everything from single lots to factories to shopping malls - that are being foreclosed on right now.

Everything I'm telling you is public record. Once banks file foreclosure proceedings, it's all public record.

So, if you have any doubts that we are headed for an absolute crisis, or that properties from the tens of thousands to the hundreds of millions, from New York to Boston to Cleveland to California to the Hamptons to Mercer Island are being foreclosed upon in record numbers - just go check out the public records - whether in your immediate area, or on a national level.

No one can understand the size and scope of this crisis until they actually view the reams and reams of foreclosure listings, and see that no price point, location, category, size or shape is immune.

You will come back to this thread, if you do this, and be able to do nothing but say "wow, you're right."

A tidal wave is about to hit. It's 60 feet high, just off shore, and building in velocity and height at a rapid clip.

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One more thing before I'm off to bed;

Anyone think the list of 19 that you can no longer short naked (regardless as to whether you think this is a good rule or not) is not relevant to continued bleeding on the part of note holders on real property and the loans that accompany them?

That 30 day SEC reg was put into place purely as a means to provide some breathing room for the bag holders of toxic waste - the ones that will end up with real property they can do nothing with, that's worth 2% to 40% of the appraised value when the initial loan was made.
 
I know this much - S2007, Buylow, and Mr. Dodge do not trade for a living. Because if you guys trade for a living, my heart breaks for your family and your bank account.

Don't quit your day jobs. EVER.
 
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