The Darkest Storm is About to Descend - You Can't Imagine the Carnage

A few years ago I used to think that fiat currency was bad; earlier this year I had an epiphany and understood why it is good.

There are a handful of common perspectives in this thread as to why things are so bad. I can honestly say that all these negative explanations have solidified my understanding of why fiat currency is good.



Kind Regards,
 
Quote from krazykarl:

A few years ago I used to think that fiat currency was bad; earlier this year I had an epiphany and understood why it is good.

There are a handful of common perspectives in this thread as to why things are so bad. I can honestly say that all these negative explanations have solidified my understanding of why fiat currency is good.



Kind Regards,

You gotta be a TOTAL F*CKIN' MORON! Suggestion.. research some world financial history. As Dr. Phil would say, "you couldn't be more wrong if you cut your own head off"...
 
Quote from gnome:

You gotta be a TOTAL F*CKIN' MORON! Suggestion.. research some world financial history. As Dr. Phil would say, "you couldn't be more wrong if you cut your own head off"...


What, because of the same tired old meme about how every other civilization that has used a fiat currency has eventually died out? That is and old and uneducated parallel. If you honestly think one is directly the cause of the other, then buy all means, keep selling.
 
I was in your camp for a couple of years and as you know from fall of 2006 until a couple of months ago I traded index futures only from the short side.

I see a few things recently developing. For one I see rental prices appreciating in every major metro that I track. Along with the corresponding drop in resale prices p/e's (rental vs. home value price) have come in quite a bit. I'm going out to L.A. for an extended stay and I'm absolutely blown away by rents.

I agree the employment picture will worsen-consumer spending will suffer ect, YET I'm not at all sure if economic slowness ipso facto means lower housing costs (or lower enegy, food ect.) I'm stuck on a 1970's fractal for my trading decisions and I see just one thing. Higher priced essentials with declining real income. Now if Treasury rates spike higher it's a whole new ball game but the Fed, Congress and the tape all indicate to me a move toward inflation rather than steady prices.
Quote from Mvic:

Housing is really what is going to be hit with the darkest storm.

The boomers will be selling to retire, pulling out equity or just to save utility money and effort of maintaing a large single family. People with second homes will sell due to job losses and underperformance of the stock market (will mean they need to save more to fund retirement) and to pay for the massive increase in taxes that is coming. Young families will have to save for many years before they have the down payment to qualify to buy a house and even then why would they when they can rent for much less than what they would pay in mortgage and taxes especially in an environment where home prices are decreasing or not appreciating and their job is not secure (meaning they may have to move which makes renting more attractive).

The job losses coming are what will be the wake up call and the final shoe to drop that no one is really expecting, and not just from the financial industry but across the board. We are a nation of house poor tapped out consumers riddled with debt, so much so that even Costco is feeling it. Take AXP, Costco, Starbucks, and the housing reports (mortgage aps down again in the middle of what is supposed to be the summer buying season with all those bargains out there) and the real picture of the economy is fair clear and eventually the market will price that reality in.
 
Quote from krazykarl:

What, because of the same tired old meme about how every other civilization that has used a fiat currency has eventually died out? That is and old and uneducated parallel. If you honestly think one is directly the cause of the other, then buy all means, keep selling.

Oh gee... just because HUNDREDS of civilizations have succumbed to fiat monetary abuse.. and becaue NONE have survived it... and because YOU are wrapped in the flag of "Rah, rah USA"... we're supposed to have faith in your confidence?

It's not an "old and uneducated parallel" as you have spewn... it's historical FACT!

I've got nothing "to sell"... we ALL should be in "survival mode"...
 
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

For one I see rental prices appreciating in every major metro that I track.

Yes!

There is no doubt that rental unit housing will see price appreciation.

1) Banks tightened lending standards on mortgages in draconian fashion. No more interest-only loans, 5% down loans, or insane ARMs.

2) Fewer people qualify for mortgages now than before, by large margins.

3) Fewer people, even those with good FICO scores, have 20%, let alone 10% down, to buy a house.

4) Rental units don't carry nearly the same carrying costs that owner-occupied housing does (property taxes, insurance, etc.).

5) Mortgage rates are rising and will only go higher.
 
Quote from Daal:

I dont understand your point, but what in your opinion would it take to deflation to take over?

Well my point is obvious, eh? You hinted that a loose BOJ had no effect on boosting asset prices in Japan. I responded that real estate prices in Tokyo are STILL sky high-in fact the highest in the world.

What would it take for deflation? A strong dollar caused by rising U.S. interest rates. If that develops then watch out below. I've made that bet a few times the past year and got my ass chewed. We're following the Japanese model. A soft landing for assets while wage earners and savers take it up the ass.
 
Quote from gnome:

Oh gee... just because HUNDREDS of civilizations have succumbed to fiat monetary abuse.. and becaue NONE have survived it... and because YOU are wrapped in the flag of "Rah, rah USA"... we're supposed to have faith in your confidence?

It's not an "old and uneducated parallel" as you have spewn... it's historical FACT!

I've got nothing "to sell"... we ALL should be in "survival mode"...

I have another fact for you: in about 10 billion years our Sun is going to go nova; it's obvious that the cause is fiat monetary abuse by hundreds of civilizations on this planet. Bad implies bad, so it must be the cause.

Another historical fact: Greenspan lowered interest rates a lot 7 years ago, thus boosting equity prices, so he must be responsible for the $5 I've pulled out of my recent GM trade.

Christ already - just because you can associate two things does not mean they are dependent upon each other, that seems to be the core logic of ET.


You already made an assumption that is incorrect: did I make any mention of being "rah rah rah USA??" Please quote it, as we all know your positions are extremely accurate, so I must have said comments regarding my "Rah rah USA" stance. There's no way you could have, again, drawn an incorrect parallel between my comment about a type of monetary policy and something totally unmentioned. No way.... Wait, I must be "rah rah everyothercivilizationthatusedfiatcurrency". Thanks for letting me know!
 
I was going to comment about that Dow chart in honest constant dollars..
I was going to comment about about the Fed protecting our dollars since 1913.
I was going to comment about the Fed owning us ,but I can only comment on how proud I am of the American sheeple with their understanding of how our political and economic systems work. Knowing their understanding I can sleep soundly confident that all is well in the North American Union.
 
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