Right... So this is Bullard's point, I think. When you say "rates at 0% forever" that, by itself, doesn't actually do anything. It creates an incentive for various economic agents to act in a certain manner. What we have at the moment is the problem that, having seen Japan, economic agents are likely to interpret the signal differently, i.e. they might start expecting much lower nominal growth in everything, including wages. So the economic incentive that you're referring to is, effectively, drowned out by the "we're screwed for a long time" signal. Again, that's just how I understand it.
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They did everything, including the kitchen sink (I mean they bought equities, for god's sake). Point is that even QE might not be sufficient to stop the rot. In fact, nobody knows quite how effective QE has been (there's a few research papers, incl the most recent one from the BoE; final conclusion, to paraphrase, was "we have no clue"). Bullard was saying that QE is the next step and should help, but, then again, he has to sound hopeful. We can't really expect him to say that the US is f*cked, no matter what the Fed does.
Bullard explains his position
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1555443840&play=1
Apparently he is talking about from a point of view of multiple equilibrium where the same policy could create 2 outcomes
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1555443840&play=1
Apparently he is talking about from a point of view of multiple equilibrium where the same policy could create 2 outcomes
Haha, good point...
I think they tried to do as much as they could without running into too many negative side effects of inflation.
Well, the Dec11 FF is back to 99.40. Come Monday, we'll see if I can put my money where my mouth is.
My Sept 11 and Dec 11 99 Eurodollar calls and have had an incredible run and I'm sitting on windfall profits in these. I think I'll unload a few next week, maybe all of them. Interest rate markets seem to have now priced in a good possibility of QE part duex. Short of a panic in the equity markets, I don't see how the short end can move a whole lot higher in the coming months, while there is enormous downside risk should equities continue higher and/or the economy pick up.
There is a lot of chatter that either stocks or bonds have got things wrong. I'll throw it out there that perhaps both are correct. The economy is in the shitter - good for bonds, bad for stocks. However, an election is coming up, the BO administration is bailing like crazy, and the Fed is about to ease further (however they may do it). In this scenario, both the bond market and the stock market could rally, which is what we've seen this summer. The tell is the currency market, where the $ is getting mauled.
As many know, I've been following Australia quite closely. Theirs and China's housing markets have rolled over and it appears to be taking the Oz economy with it. Oz interest rate futures have rallied strongly, yet the AUD remains close to its all time high against the USD. This makes no sense. If Oz is slowing and if rates are coming down in Oz, their currency should be getting hit. It has gotten somewhat weaker against other major currencies, but not against the USD. Either currency traders have gotten it wrong or the Fed is about to print another trillion or so.
All is well in China. Companies that have nothing to do w/real estate development are trying their hand at it. Shades of Japan in the late 80s ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/02/business/global/02chinareal.html?pagewanted=1&hp
State-Owned Groups Fuel Chinaâs Real Estate Boom
By DAVID BARBOZA
WUHU, China â The Anhui Salt Industry Corporation is a state-owned company that has 11,000 employees, access to government salt mines and a Communist Party boss.
Now it has swaggered into a new line of business: real estate.
The company is developing a complex of luxury high-rises here called Platinum Bay on a parcel it acquired last year by outbidding two other developers to win a local government land auction.
Anhui Salt is hardly alone among big state-owned companies. The China Railway Group is developing residential complexes in Beijing after winning the auction for a huge piece of land there.
Likewise, the China Ordnance Group, a state-led military manufacturer best known for amphibious assault weapons, paid $260 million for Beijing property where it plans to build luxury residences and retail outlets.
And in one of Chinaâs biggest land deals yet, the state-run shipbuilder Sino Ocean paid $1.3 billion last December and March to buy two giant tracts from Beijingâs municipal government to develop residential communities.
All around the nation, giant state-owned oil, chemical, military, telecom and highway groups are bidding up prices on sprawling plots of land for big real estate projects unrelated to their core businesses.
âThese are the ones that have the money to buy the land,â says Prof. Deng Yongheng at the National University in Singapore. âBecause in China, itâs the government that controls the money supply and the spending.â
By driving up property prices, the state-owned companies, which are ultimately controlled by the national government, are working at cross-purposes with the central governmentâs effort to keep Chinaâs real estate boom from becoming a debt-driven speculative bubble â like the one that devastated Western financial markets when it burst two years ago.
Land records show that 82 percent of land auctions in Beijing this year have been won by big state-owned companies outbidding private developers â up from 59 percent in 2008.
A recent study published by the National Bureau of Economic Research in Cambridge, Mass., found that land prices in Beijing had jumped by about 750 percent since 2003, and that half of that gain came in the last two years. Housing prices have also skyrocketed, doubling in many cities over the last few years.
The report pegged a big part of the increase to state-owned enterprises that have âpaid 27 percent more than other bidders for an otherwise equivalent piece of land.â
Critics say the central government in Beijing unwittingly propelled the land frenzy by pushing a huge $586 billion economic stimulus package last year and encouraging state-owned banks to lend more aggressively.
And as the prices of new apartments soar â in Shanghai, for instance, they often exceed $200,000, while the average disposable income is about $4,000 a year â the trend also threatens to undermine the central governmentâs goal of affordable housing for the rising middle class.
In some cases, local governments â which earned over $230 billion from land auctions in 2009 â are also being accused of demolishing old neighborhoods and unfairly compensating residents. In a recent poll conducted by China Youth Daily, a state-run newspaper, more than 80 percent of the respondents said local governments were a âmajor driving forceâ behind the skyrocketing property prices.
All of this is happening to the chagrin of private developers that dominated Chinaâs property market for more than a decade but are now feeling squeezed out of a game that favors developers with state-backed financing.
âItâs a little like a son who borrows money from his mother,â says Yang Shaofeng, head of the Conworld Real Estate Agency in Beijing.
Last year, state banks made a record $1.4 trillion in loans, nearly twice as much as the year before. Analysts say they believe much of that money was diverted into the property market through off-balance-sheet maneuvers, leading to the record land bids and soaring property prices. That belief is adding to concerns that some of Chinaâs biggest state-owned banks may be sitting on enormous unreported debt.
Beijing is now struggling to rein in credit without slowing the nationâs roaring economy. And regulators are trying to stop state banks from using clever maneuvers to secretly lend money to overly aggressive state-owned developers.
Beijing also wants to restrain state companies that have little or no expertise in real estate. Last March, the State Assets Supervision and Administration Commission â one of the national governmentâs most powerful bodies â ordered 78 state-owned companies to shed their real estate divisions.
But analysts say the government will have difficulty stopping hundreds of state-owned companies and their various subsidiaries from participating in what has become one of the countryâs hottest industries. Experts say that more than 90 of the 125 state-owned companies directly under Beijingâs control still have property divisions. And local and provincial governments control many additional developers.
The national government is grappling with a complex set of incentives that drive state-run companies to speculate in the property market with the aid of local governments.
Rosealea Yao, an analyst at Dragonomics, a research consultant in Beijing, says a growing number of municipalities have formed local investment vehicles that borrow heavily from state-owned banks to pay to relocate residents and build infrastructure around big plots of land they intend to sell at auction. (In China, local governments cannot directly borrow from banks or issue bonds for real estate development.)
Those off-balance-sheet debts are essentially bets on rising land prices, she says, which could become big liabilities if land prices were to decline sharply or the auction market were to dry up.
âThis is why local governments are so enthusiastic about infrastructure,â Ms. Yao says. âThey borrow to build something that raises the value of the land they want to sell at auction.â
Here in Wuhu, a sleepy industrial town about 70 miles west of Nanjing, Anhui Salt is breaking ground on its high-rise project in the center of town â next to a hotel operated by Anhui Conch Holdings.
The land was put up for auction in May 2009, and there were just three bidders â another of which was also a state-owned company. Anhui Salt, which also boasts of operating a steel trading arm, a financing vehicle and even two Honda dealerships, says it is eager to expand beyond industrial products and table salt.
âPlatinum Bay is Anhui Salt Industryâs first luxury project and targets the very rich, the very elite class of Wuhu,â said Su Chuanbo, marketing manager.
Asked why Anhui Salt wants to be a developer, Mr. Su said the central government had encouraged state companies to be more profitable, and that real estate was incredibly lucrative.
And so the government, he added, is actually behind its push into real estate.
âEven though many central government-controlled state companies are banned from the real estate sector,â Mr. Su said, âlocal state-owned companies like Anhui Salt can still develop its projects within reasonable bounds. The situation is the same all over China.â
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/02/business/global/02chinareal.html?pagewanted=1&hp
State-Owned Groups Fuel Chinaâs Real Estate Boom
By DAVID BARBOZA
WUHU, China â The Anhui Salt Industry Corporation is a state-owned company that has 11,000 employees, access to government salt mines and a Communist Party boss.
Now it has swaggered into a new line of business: real estate.
The company is developing a complex of luxury high-rises here called Platinum Bay on a parcel it acquired last year by outbidding two other developers to win a local government land auction.
Anhui Salt is hardly alone among big state-owned companies. The China Railway Group is developing residential complexes in Beijing after winning the auction for a huge piece of land there.
Likewise, the China Ordnance Group, a state-led military manufacturer best known for amphibious assault weapons, paid $260 million for Beijing property where it plans to build luxury residences and retail outlets.
And in one of Chinaâs biggest land deals yet, the state-run shipbuilder Sino Ocean paid $1.3 billion last December and March to buy two giant tracts from Beijingâs municipal government to develop residential communities.
All around the nation, giant state-owned oil, chemical, military, telecom and highway groups are bidding up prices on sprawling plots of land for big real estate projects unrelated to their core businesses.
âThese are the ones that have the money to buy the land,â says Prof. Deng Yongheng at the National University in Singapore. âBecause in China, itâs the government that controls the money supply and the spending.â
By driving up property prices, the state-owned companies, which are ultimately controlled by the national government, are working at cross-purposes with the central governmentâs effort to keep Chinaâs real estate boom from becoming a debt-driven speculative bubble â like the one that devastated Western financial markets when it burst two years ago.
Land records show that 82 percent of land auctions in Beijing this year have been won by big state-owned companies outbidding private developers â up from 59 percent in 2008.
A recent study published by the National Bureau of Economic Research in Cambridge, Mass., found that land prices in Beijing had jumped by about 750 percent since 2003, and that half of that gain came in the last two years. Housing prices have also skyrocketed, doubling in many cities over the last few years.
The report pegged a big part of the increase to state-owned enterprises that have âpaid 27 percent more than other bidders for an otherwise equivalent piece of land.â
Critics say the central government in Beijing unwittingly propelled the land frenzy by pushing a huge $586 billion economic stimulus package last year and encouraging state-owned banks to lend more aggressively.
And as the prices of new apartments soar â in Shanghai, for instance, they often exceed $200,000, while the average disposable income is about $4,000 a year â the trend also threatens to undermine the central governmentâs goal of affordable housing for the rising middle class.
In some cases, local governments â which earned over $230 billion from land auctions in 2009 â are also being accused of demolishing old neighborhoods and unfairly compensating residents. In a recent poll conducted by China Youth Daily, a state-run newspaper, more than 80 percent of the respondents said local governments were a âmajor driving forceâ behind the skyrocketing property prices.
All of this is happening to the chagrin of private developers that dominated Chinaâs property market for more than a decade but are now feeling squeezed out of a game that favors developers with state-backed financing.
âItâs a little like a son who borrows money from his mother,â says Yang Shaofeng, head of the Conworld Real Estate Agency in Beijing.
Last year, state banks made a record $1.4 trillion in loans, nearly twice as much as the year before. Analysts say they believe much of that money was diverted into the property market through off-balance-sheet maneuvers, leading to the record land bids and soaring property prices. That belief is adding to concerns that some of Chinaâs biggest state-owned banks may be sitting on enormous unreported debt.
Beijing is now struggling to rein in credit without slowing the nationâs roaring economy. And regulators are trying to stop state banks from using clever maneuvers to secretly lend money to overly aggressive state-owned developers.
Beijing also wants to restrain state companies that have little or no expertise in real estate. Last March, the State Assets Supervision and Administration Commission â one of the national governmentâs most powerful bodies â ordered 78 state-owned companies to shed their real estate divisions.
But analysts say the government will have difficulty stopping hundreds of state-owned companies and their various subsidiaries from participating in what has become one of the countryâs hottest industries. Experts say that more than 90 of the 125 state-owned companies directly under Beijingâs control still have property divisions. And local and provincial governments control many additional developers.
The national government is grappling with a complex set of incentives that drive state-run companies to speculate in the property market with the aid of local governments.
Rosealea Yao, an analyst at Dragonomics, a research consultant in Beijing, says a growing number of municipalities have formed local investment vehicles that borrow heavily from state-owned banks to pay to relocate residents and build infrastructure around big plots of land they intend to sell at auction. (In China, local governments cannot directly borrow from banks or issue bonds for real estate development.)
Those off-balance-sheet debts are essentially bets on rising land prices, she says, which could become big liabilities if land prices were to decline sharply or the auction market were to dry up.
âThis is why local governments are so enthusiastic about infrastructure,â Ms. Yao says. âThey borrow to build something that raises the value of the land they want to sell at auction.â
Here in Wuhu, a sleepy industrial town about 70 miles west of Nanjing, Anhui Salt is breaking ground on its high-rise project in the center of town â next to a hotel operated by Anhui Conch Holdings.
The land was put up for auction in May 2009, and there were just three bidders â another of which was also a state-owned company. Anhui Salt, which also boasts of operating a steel trading arm, a financing vehicle and even two Honda dealerships, says it is eager to expand beyond industrial products and table salt.
âPlatinum Bay is Anhui Salt Industryâs first luxury project and targets the very rich, the very elite class of Wuhu,â said Su Chuanbo, marketing manager.
Asked why Anhui Salt wants to be a developer, Mr. Su said the central government had encouraged state companies to be more profitable, and that real estate was incredibly lucrative.
And so the government, he added, is actually behind its push into real estate.
âEven though many central government-controlled state companies are banned from the real estate sector,â Mr. Su said, âlocal state-owned companies like Anhui Salt can still develop its projects within reasonable bounds. The situation is the same all over China.â
Interesting blog post here
http://economistsview.typepad.com/timduy/
The idea that inflation expectations are 'well anchored' seems an exaggeration to say the least. Early last year expectations were 0% for ten years, the volatility of inflation expectations since the Lehman shock have been quite high, which means its not anchored, its fluctuating all over the place, even if is at currently levels that are historically normal
The Fed belief that expectations will be helping them not have deflation could easily turn against them
http://economistsview.typepad.com/timduy/
The idea that inflation expectations are 'well anchored' seems an exaggeration to say the least. Early last year expectations were 0% for ten years, the volatility of inflation expectations since the Lehman shock have been quite high, which means its not anchored, its fluctuating all over the place, even if is at currently levels that are historically normal
The Fed belief that expectations will be helping them not have deflation could easily turn against them