the crash i called and continue

Quote from Nine_Ender:

Ok, my mistake a correction is often a 5-10% drop over a short time period ( but often longer then a day ). However, my point is crashes are not that frequent and given that we basically had a market meltdown ending around March 2009 it is highly unlikely we get a crash any time soon.

My other point is throughout the 17 months since March 2009 there have been numerous people predicting market crashes
throughout one of the best bull runs in history. These calls were horrendous costing many people a lot of profits. There is absolutely nothing to suggest a crash is imminent fundamentally this year, earnings are strong and m&a activity is picking up. Every correction that occurs is met with bargain hunters buying up stock.

So I believe people on here are irresponsible to predict market meltdowns when any impetus to create this situation will not arrive for at least a year. At that time, it will be clear if a market meltdown is more likely. But NOTHING today suggests this is a likely scenario at all. The Chicken Little's of this site don't even provide reasons its just a religon to them and the "double dip" type analysts on CNBC ( who were wrong over and over again in 2009 ).

eg Looking at something like Canadian banks they had a huge bull run in 2009 during which they corrected around 5% down on several days on the way up. They make billions every year in profits. How do you justify a lower valuation ? How low could a crash take these stocks before someone gets smart and rebuys these money makers to pocket another 50% gain afterwards ?

So first you think a correction is a 10% drop in one day and now you think there is nothing fundamental predicting a crash?

You want reasons?

Home sales at ALL TIME low
Home prices are headed back down
while mortgage rates are also at historic lows and the govt has been giving away $8k to anyone dumb enough to step in front of that freight train
Most measures of economic health are rolling over despite the biggest stimulus package of all time (final sales, GDP, Durable Goods, and on and on)
The banking system only exists due to suspending accounting standards and putting them on govt life support via free discount window money
ECRI is ~-10, which has ALWAYS preceded a recession.
Credit is still contracting despite ZIRP
Individual stocks are still having flash crashes to $.00001 after the May 6 event (a 10% correction in one day!)
Mutual fund outflows are 50 billion for the year, retail has taken their ball and gone home
We are STILL shedding jobs
Debt to GDP is going parabolic with nothing to show for it
Consumer confidence is 68-69, avg for recoveries is 90, avg for recessions is 73

How big would the straw REALLY have to be to break this camels back?

Amen.
 
Quote from milktruck:

So first you think a correction is a 10% drop in one day and now you think there is nothing fundamental predicting a crash?

You want reasons?

Home sales at ALL TIME low
Home prices are headed back down
while mortgage rates are also at historic lows and the govt has been giving away $8k to anyone dumb enough to step in front of that freight train
Most measures of economic health are rolling over despite the biggest stimulus package of all time (final sales, GDP, Durable Goods, and on and on)
The banking system only exists due to suspending accounting standards and putting them on govt life support via free discount window money
ECRI is ~-10, which has ALWAYS preceded a recession.
Credit is still contracting despite ZIRP
Individual stocks are still having flash crashes to $.00001 after the May 6 event (a 10% correction in one day!)
Mutual fund outflows are 50 billion for the year, retail has taken their ball and gone home
We are STILL shedding jobs
Debt to GDP is going parabolic with nothing to show for it
Consumer confidence is 68-69, avg for recoveries is 90, avg for recessions is 73

How big would the straw REALLY have to be to break this camels back?

Amen.

Call me a cynic but you sound like someone shorting the market like crazy and getting frustrated you are getting nowhere fast.
I suspect if you are fully invested in this religon you will be squeezed hard ( again ) in the next few months. I will say the US economy is far weaker then the World economy, so if you hold that position long enough ( perhaps years ), you may do ok eventually, but only if you bail on your shorts before the inevitable market rebound occurs.

This is an investment forum. So do tell us exactly how you are invested TODAY to profit from your religon. Be specific.
 
One can always make a list of reasons to have a crash, or a rally. They mean nothing. We just have to trade what is.
 
Quote from Nine_Ender:

Call me a cynic but you sound like someone shorting the market like crazy and getting frustrated you are getting nowhere fast.
I suspect if you are fully invested in this religon you will be squeezed hard ( again ) in the next few months. I will say the US economy is far weaker then the World economy, so if you hold that position long enough ( perhaps years ), you may do ok eventually, but only if you bail on your shorts before the inevitable market rebound occurs.

This is an investment forum. So do tell us exactly how you are invested TODAY to profit from your religon. Be specific.

Please stfu. You're talking your book as much as anybody. "Hope" is not a trading strategy.
 
Quote from Nine_Ender:

Call me a cynic but you sound like someone shorting the market like crazy and getting frustrated you are getting nowhere fast.
I suspect if you are fully invested in this religon you will be squeezed hard ( again ) in the next few months. I will say the US economy is far weaker then the World economy, so if you hold that position long enough ( perhaps years ), you may do ok eventually, but only if you bail on your shorts before the inevitable market rebound occurs.

This is an investment forum. So do tell us exactly how you are invested TODAY to profit from your religon. Be specific.

Why dont you be specific why your 2 data points are not closer to a religious conviction than the dozen I laid out, your holiness?

Also, this is a TRADING forum.

BTW you know what happens when you assume things...
 
Quote from milktruck:

So first you think a correction is a 10% drop in one day and now you think there is nothing fundamental predicting a crash?

You want reasons?

Home sales at ALL TIME low
Home prices are headed back down
while mortgage rates are also at historic lows and the govt has been giving away $8k to anyone dumb enough to step in front of that freight train
Most measures of economic health are rolling over despite the biggest stimulus package of all time (final sales, GDP, Durable Goods, and on and on)
The banking system only exists due to suspending accounting standards and putting them on govt life support via free discount window money
ECRI is ~-10, which has ALWAYS preceded a recession.
Credit is still contracting despite ZIRP
Individual stocks are still having flash crashes to $.00001 after the May 6 event (a 10% correction in one day!)
Mutual fund outflows are 50 billion for the year, retail has taken their ball and gone home
We are STILL shedding jobs
Debt to GDP is going parabolic with nothing to show for it
Consumer confidence is 68-69, avg for recoveries is 90, avg for recessions is 73

How big would the straw REALLY have to be to break this camels back?

Amen.


Gulp. It has been a long time since conditions looked this ugly.
 
Quote from atticus:

Please stfu. You're talking your book as much as anybody. "Hope" is not a trading strategy.

Your post is illogical it is not me making grandiose predictions about market direction. What "book" are you talking about I trade long and short almost every day ( the US market has been in a channel all year ). In fact, a market crash would be highly profitable for me, but I think it is irresponsible for people to post events that are highly unlikely to happen.
 
Quote from Nine_Ender:


So I believe people on here are irresponsible to predict market meltdowns when any impetus to create this situation will not arrive for at least a year. At that time, it will be clear if a market meltdown is more likely. But NOTHING today suggests this is a likely scenario at all. The Chicken Little's of this site don't even provide reasons its just a religon to them and the "double dip" type analysts on CNBC ( who were wrong over and over again in 2009 ).

You are talking out of your ass again and you're losing.
 
Quote from Nine_Ender:

Call me a cynic but you sound like someone shorting the market like crazy and getting frustrated you are getting nowhere fast.
I suspect if you are fully invested in this religon you will be squeezed hard ( again ) in the next few months. I will say the US economy is far weaker then the World economy, so if you hold that position long enough ( perhaps years ), you may do ok eventually, but only if you bail on your shorts before the inevitable market rebound occurs.

This is an investment forum. So do tell us exactly how you are invested TODAY to profit from your religon. Be specific.
. I'm not taking sides but this is EliteTRADER not eliteINVESTOR. Man, you're all kinds of lost
 
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