The categorical imperative

[nitro]

Quote from trendlover:

Here is no bias link. 28,000 medical people in many countrys and only 480 try to leave. Ok peilthetraveler? Some maths for you.
Not ALL people are ALL one way. That is your bias.
http://forums.terra.com/foros/cuban...8/Cuba_loses_doctors_to_asylum_offer_P605192/

That is a really interesting link. Thanks.

 

[trendlover]

Quote from nitro:

That is a really interesting link. Thanks.

Your are welcome.
Nitro, you see how one side say it is (moral) to give asylum and make the doctors leave the poor country?
Then other side think it is (moral) to help the poor country?

How to measure that?

Maybe I can say American doctors only become the doctor to make money, and Cuban doctors only become the doctor from compassion because they can not make big pay.
But that is not true. My opinion is most doctors have compassion.
And I know you understand what I am saying.

p.s. I do not understand all of that Kant link. Maybe too advance for me.

 

[nitro]

Quote from trendlover:

Your are welcome.
Nitro, you see how one side say it is (moral) to give asylum and make the doctors leave the poor country?
Then other side think it is (moral) to help the poor country?

How to measure that?

Maybe I can say American doctors only become the doctor to make money, and Cuban doctors only become the doctor from compassion because they can not make big pay.
But that is not true. My opinion is most doctors have compassion.
And I know you understand what I am saying.

p.s. I do not understand all of that Kant link. Maybe too advance for me.

I do understand what you are saying.

As far as not understanding Kant, that is normal the first time you are exposed to him.

trendlover, imo, when seeking knowledge, I have found that the eastern approach from sensei to student is best: it is ok to be confused. It is not ok to be impatient and expect the answer to come immediately. Maturity requires patience. So don't give up. Read it. Let your subconscious mind brew on it, sometimes for years. One day, you may read it again, and not understand how you could not have understood it in the first place.

For example, the constitution of the US is a deep philosophical work. It didn't spring from young turks to a pen. It took people that had thought about these issues through a great deal of study. But it was reality and maturity of experience that finally made all that critical thinking real.

...
We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.
...
TS Elliot

 

[drjekyllus]

Quote from nitro:

Do you adhere to it?

For those that don't know what it is, here is a simple situation:

You have a friend, let's call him Bob, whose location at this exact moment you know. Another random person, call him Billy, comes up to you and says he wants to kill Bob and demands that you tell him where he is. If you tell Billy where Bob is, he is 100 delta to die. If not, Bob forever goes unharmed. Do you tell the truth to Billy?

Not lying, according to Kant, is a fundamental principle of morality, or the 'categorical imperative'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_imperative

The situation does not require you to lie. You simply tell Billy you are not going to tell him. You did not lie, and Bob gets to live.

 

[trendlover]

Quote from nitro:

I do understand what you are saying.

As far as not understanding Kant, that is normal the first time you are exposed to him.

trendlover, imo, when seeking knowledge, I have found that the eastern approach from sensei to student is best: it is ok to be confused. It is not ok to be impatient and expect the answer to come immediately. Maturity requires patience. So don't give up. Read it. Let your subconscious mind brew on it, sometimes for years. One day, you may read it again, and not understand how you could not have understood it in the first place.

For example, the constitution of the US is a deep philosophical work. It didn't spring from young turks to a pen. It took people that had thought about these issues through a great deal of study. But it was reality and maturity of experience that finally made all that critical thinking real. [/QUOTE







Ok. Good night Nitro.

 

[151]

Quote from TheFinn:

Without a God, all so-called 'morality' are purely subjective judgements of human actions. There is no 'right' or 'wrong' in any objective sense in a Godless world.

^This

Really