The categorical imperative

[3121]

Quote from trendlover:

If Bob is my friend, then I would tell Billy a false place to go find Bob. Now Billy can not hurt me, and I have time to go to Bob and tell him Billy is crazy and will murder him. Then Bob can protect himself.

but now Billy is major pissed off at YOU . you are now the focus of his immediate attention. he's going to find Bob eventually after he's done with you

 

[stu]

Kant's categorical imperative requires the absolute response in all circumstances. According to his philosophy and it is fundamentally that true morality is not subjective and therefore for example, you must tell the truth when asked, because truth telling is inherently good.

What is inherently good is God's will. It's a bit of pisser for the religious who like to bandy it around so it's not hard to see why drsteph jumped ship , that is, if he ever realized how self defeating Kant actually is.

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from trendlover:

If Bob is my friend, then I would tell Billy a false place to go find Bob. Now Billy can not hurt me, and I have time to go to Bob and tell him Billy is crazy and will murder him. Then Bob can protect himself.

Yes, but when Billy finds out you lied to him, he may well come after you. And in an attempt to get back into Billy's good graces, Bob may tell him where he can find you.

 

[3121]

Quote from stu:

Kant's categorical imperative requires the absolute response in all circumstances. According to his philosophy and it is fundamentally that true morality is not subjective and therefore for example, you must tell the truth when asked, because truth telling is inherently good.

What is inherently good is God's will. It's a bit of pisser for the religious who like to bandy it around so it's not hard to see why drsteph jumped ship , that is, if he ever realized how self defeating Kant actually is.

telling the truth is inherently good and must be done even when you know it will lead to a bad outcome.. and after the bad outcome comes to realization you did right and good? i don't want any part of that
that's ridiculous

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from nitro:

Do you adhere to it?

For those that don't know what it is, here is a simple situation:

You have a friend, let's call him Bob, whose location at this exact moment you know. Another random person, call him Billy, comes up to you and says he wants to kill Bob and demands that you tell him where he is. If you tell Billy where Bob is, he is 100 delta to die. If not, Bob forever goes unharmed. Do you tell the truth to Billy?

I would tell Billy where my ex wife lives, as if she were Bob. Address, Mapquest directions, GPS coordinates and a detailed description.

Kay Sera Sera

 

[trendlover]

Quote from 3121:

but now Billy is major pissed off at YOU . you are now the focus of his immediate attention. he's going to find Bob eventually after he's done with you

When Billy first demand to know where Bob is, he did not threaten to kill me if I do not tell him. He just demand to know. I buy time with my lie to save my friend. Now I am with my friend Bob together. We both have awareness of Billy will murder Bob if he finds him. But Bob does not know where we are. More time for Bob and me to go to the police for protection and hide. Now Billy is more afraid because he knows 2 people (Bob and me) are looking out for him. And he will think the police too will try to find him.

 

[3121]

Quote from trendlover:

When Billy first demand to know where Bob is, he did not threaten to kill me if I do not tell him. He just demand to know. I buy time with my lie to save my friend. Now I am with my friend Bob together. We both have awareness of Billy will murder Bob if he finds him. But Bob does not know where we are. More time for Bob and me to go to the police for protection and hide. Now Billy is more afraid because he knows 2 people (Bob and me) are looking out for him. And he will think the police too will try to find him.

just tell him where to find Bob and be done with it. the crime cannot be connected to you your in the clear
called Game Theory i win, Bob loses
+1

besides would Bob save your ass?

ps what would Kant think of game Theory?

 

[trendlover]

Quote from Thunderdog:

Yes, but when Billy finds out you lied to him, he may well come after you. And in an attempt to get back into Billy's good graces, Bob may tell him where he can find you.

I will be with Bob when Billy can not find Bob in the place I told him because I lie. Billy will know this probably because if I lie to him about Bob, then he will think I went to find Bob, and know we are together. Billy will be afraid of us too.

 

[trendlover]

Quote from 3121:

just tell him where to find Bob and be done with it. the crime cannot be connected to you your in the clear
called Game Theory i win, Bob loses
+1

besides would Bob save your ass?

ps what would Kant think of game Theory?

No, I lose from a broken heart if I let my friend die.
If Billy said he will kill me if I do not tell him, I can still lie where Bob is, save my life, save Bob too.
I win.

 

[3121]

Quote from trendlover:

No, I lose from a broken heart if I let my friend die.
If Billy said he will kill me if I do not tell him, I can still lie where Bob is, save my life, save Bob too.
I win.

after he finds bob he comes looking for you. how is that win for you?
sell him out, fuck him