The bottom

[jack hershey]

Quote from Daring:

I notice you annotate every inside and outside bar in the chart.

What are the rules on volume when applied to these inside and outside bar breakouts ?

I'm glad you see that there are rules associated with price that control (kill of gate) the leading volume measurements.

you picked two jey items to begin to learn how the system of the market works.

All inside formations have the same rules. The first bar is always processed. the second or sunsequence bar(s) is NOT processed if smaller in volume than the first. If NOT, then it is processed.

For out side bars, they count as two bars in a trends sequence. THe first value is done as usual. The second value is simple: it is the NEXT value in the trend sequence.

For all bar determinations there is a single test procedure. It has three parts:

!. you chaeck for a "repeat".

2. You check in a reverse chrone for a prior occurrance (with some kills for some answers)

3. You move to the NEXT element in the Order Of Events of the trend if items one and two are false. (See "The Pattern")

Everything in market system analysis is a binary vector anlysis. This means, based on the exisiting granularity of every market variable, there are just a few tasks to always "know that you know."

What it is that does not permit others to do this in any way so far is simply their lack of work in using ordinary deductive skills.

Proof of this lack of determination is found in gaming and IT examples provided by peoplle like Larry Smarrand Jane McGonigal who work theturf of gaming and problem solving. See 06OCT 12 appreanace and discussion and Q and A.

I would guess you used my anotated snippet and found some volume bars were not annotated and some jumped ahead (outside bar). The pattern gives you the rest of the five entwined OOE's that work together.

As you say I am evil and shouldn't be allowed here in ET. I spent the time to figure out the market operating system. I showed trades and made the point that the OP did not have a basis for his substantive statement. It is worth heeding my advice even if you judge that I am evil.

 

[1a2b3cppp]

Quote from trader198:

do not give yourself illusions.

anything in hindsight is just illusion.

dont addict to this illusion, next time, you will be blind too.

when the market closes, everyone knows "oh, why i do not see it" or by coincidence, you did something and "holy cow, why I do not all in, make a killing and retire"

I like your courage to jump in into the drop and declare a bottom.

but I think your intelligence is elementary first grade, sorry.

what you found is not opportunity, just a coincindence. try to learn something from coinceinden is naive, like generalize it. that is why I do not write journal.

opportunity is there, but you are blind

past is there, you can see it, smell it, touch it but it is useless, and harmful since it creates illusions

Oh, I agree. I've never seen anyone make any of that type of call ahead of time. But after the fact it's always "LOOK AT THIS! DO YOU SEE?" and then they sometimes try to sell you a course.

I would love to see those calls in real time.

 

[smaranam]

Before the bottom there are always convergence of circumstances.

 

[jack hershey]

Quote from Daring:

Notice market did opposite of what Hershey said.

A reminder to those who think.

Fractals are interlocking and they build from the fastest to the slowest.

To trade effectively you need to have your trading fractal surrounded by two fractals: a slower one and a faster one.

Assume you get to this stage of competence. At that time you will be able to recognize when you have "jumped fractals" to do analysis or make a decision (s).

Any timey ou make this error, then you will bemisunderstanding the sequence of events that form a trend. This leads directly to "early exits" and then being on the wrong side of the market.

The only reason I originally posted in this thread was because a "guess" or "bet" was being asked about and the word "bottom" was used.

To say something and back it up rationally is an important example for a person such as the OP and those who thought they were helping him.

I can't help him because of his mental orientation which he is stuck with for the rest of his life. But he is a fearful example which to avoid becoming before it is too late.

My view is that "you always know that you know". This is bar by bar and it is also "anticipatory" as a consequence of knowledge and skills.

My posted annotated chart of a leading indicator of price allowed for some to see the relationsjip of taking the full offer to just how effective and efficient this is.

The last trade was a low efficiency trade.with respect to the "moving parts of a trend". The possible lesson could have been, that a person has to account for everything and that everything counts.

This Depression is a rough adjustment period for the many interlocking systems of our culture. A lot of people were part of the manufacturing infrastructure. In this era (service and information) we have more IT people than farmers. Farmers provide sufficient food and IT people do not get the job done so enogh people who want jobs can have them.

 

[smaranam]

Why are interlocking fractal always built in the wrong direction for you Jack ,Jack Hershey?

 

[Daring]

Quote from jack hershey:

A reminder to those who think.

Fractals are interlocking and they build from the fastest to the slowest.

To trade effectively you need to have your trading fractal surrounded by two fractals: a slower one and a faster one.

Assume you get to this stage of competence. At that time you will be able to recognize when you have "jumped fractals" to do analysis or make a decision (s).

Any timey ou make this error, then you will bemisunderstanding the sequence of events that form a trend. This leads directly to "early exits" and then being on the wrong side of the market.

The only reason I originally posted in this thread was because a "guess" or "bet" was being asked about and the word "bottom" was used.

To say something and back it up rationally is an important example for a person such as the OP and those who thought they were helping him.

I can't help him because of his mental orientation which he is stuck with for the rest of his life. But he is a fearful example which to avoid becoming before it is too late.

My view is that "you always know that you know". This is bar by bar and it is also "anticipatory" as a consequence of knowledge and skills.

My posted annotated chart of a leading indicator of price allowed for some to see the relationsjip of taking the full offer to just how effective and efficient this is.

The last trade was a low efficiency trade.with respect to the "moving parts of a trend". The possible lesson could have been, that a person has to account for everything and that everything counts.

This Depression is a rough adjustment period for the many interlocking systems of our culture. A lot of people were part of the manufacturing infrastructure. In this era (service and information) we have more IT people than farmers. Farmers provide sufficient food and IT people do not get the job done so enogh people who want jobs can have them.

I find your method lacking, you tend to miss a lot of obvious turns, and happen to be rather late in almost every key swing.

 

[Paddler]

Quote from jack hershey:

All inside formations have the same rules. The first bar is always processed. the second or subsequent bar(s) is NOT processed if smaller in volume than the first. If NOT, then it is processed.

For out side bars, they count as two bars in a trends sequence. The first value is done as usual. The second value is simple: it is the NEXT value in the trend sequence.

For all bar determinations there is a single test procedure. It has three parts:

1. you check for a "repeat".

2. You check in a reverse chrono for a prior occurrence (with some kills for some answers).

3. You move to the NEXT element in the Order Of Events of the trend if items one and two are false. (See "The Pattern").

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=3687500

For volume annotation's symbols, I have a complete set of increasing, decreasing, trough and peaking in black or red. What are those strange symbols in your chart P3P, T1, P3F and etc?

 

[smaranam]

Any indicators that render 3 interlocking fractals?

 

[jack hershey]

Quote from Daring:

I find your method lacking, you tend to miss a lot of obvious turns, and happen to be rather late in almost every key swing.

For you and your conclusions, it is a good idea to not work further.

If a person has any misconceptions, then it is not a good idea to follow his suggestions.

On the other hand, I have found some people have difficulty making some parts of what I have derived part of their long term memory.

there are many ways to trade successfully. Within this assortment my approach is to take the full offer of the market on a chosen trading fractal.

 

[jack hershey]

Quote from Paddler:

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=3687500

For volume annotation's symbols, I have a complete set of increasing, decreasing, trough and peaking in black or red. What are those strange symbols in your chart P3P, T1, P3F and etc?

Good for you!!!

Put up your list (in the OOE hopefully) and I shall add my list to yours in a one to one correspondence. In this way your list can become a standard for future comments and annotation.