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Bernie or bust: Sanders supporters vow to hold out
Supporters: Don't expect us to get behind 'corrupt system'
Philadelphia (CNN)Three words are hanging over the final days of the Democratic presidential race: Bernie or bust.
"When you say Bernie or bust, that means if we don't get Bernie, we're just not going to automatically vote for the demon because you're saying the devil may be there," said Billy Taylor, who is organizing a coalition of Bernie Sanders supporters to protest at the Democratic convention here in July...
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/01/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-bernie-or-bust/index.html
Supporters: Don't expect us to get behind 'corrupt system'
Philadelphia (CNN)Three words are hanging over the final days of the Democratic presidential race: Bernie or bust.
"When you say Bernie or bust, that means if we don't get Bernie, we're just not going to automatically vote for the demon because you're saying the devil may be there," said Billy Taylor, who is organizing a coalition of Bernie Sanders supporters to protest at the Democratic convention here in July...
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/01/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-bernie-or-bust/index.html
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Without the Bern supporters voting Democratic and staying home, I estimate Trump to have a slight lead on Clinton in the general if he gets a very large turnout. Clinton will probably get 60,000,000 votes or maybe 65M in that case.
With the Bern supporters voting for Clinton, I don't see how Trump wins, since Clinton will be close to 70,000,000 votes.
I don't care how many Trump voters he has brought in, that electorate is nowhere near 70M.
With the Bern supporters voting for Clinton, I don't see how Trump wins, since Clinton will be close to 70,000,000 votes.
I don't care how many Trump voters he has brought in, that electorate is nowhere near 70M.
are your revising your previous call? which is allowed... I am just wondering?
I note I would find it really hard to estimate the electorate for the worst candidate in memory.
She lost to Obama out of nowhere and now she is close to losing to old communist with a heavy accent. While Trump got the most primary votes in history. If Biden replaces her I think you numbers are probably close to correct.
With her in there... democrat numbers go down and republican numbers swell.
I note I would find it really hard to estimate the electorate for the worst candidate in memory.
She lost to Obama out of nowhere and now she is close to losing to old communist with a heavy accent. While Trump got the most primary votes in history. If Biden replaces her I think you numbers are probably close to correct.
With her in there... democrat numbers go down and republican numbers swell.
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I think Trump has a chance if the Bern supporters stay home and don't vote for Clinton. Even then, I think it is a toss up in the general. I think he has no chance if say 90+% of the Bern voters vote with the D party.
I suspect a few Bern supporters will vote for Trump just to send a message, but I think max that is 5%, so like 500,000 to a 1,000,000 Bern voters. Not enough if the rest of the Bern supporters vote for Clinton.
65M votes will probably win. 70M is almost impossible to beat. D turn out 55M voters with their eyes closed and one hand tied behind their back. It is all about the edges, which this year, is up for grabs.
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If the Bern has a clean sweep next week, he has a very good argument at the Dem convention. Hillary represents the status quo. The country deserves and needs a better choice. Trump vs. Sanders offers that choice. It's dramatic and it's what we need.
You do understand that this is totally irrelevant? We have the Electoral College and that is what counts. All Trump has to do is motivate a small percentage more of white voters to actually vote in key swing states and he will be golden. Or orange.
good point...
Trump could do that in overwhelming numbers. I think I saw an article yesterday saying he is leading with white women? If that is the case on election day.. he takes a few democrats states too.
Trump could do that in overwhelming numbers. I think I saw an article yesterday saying he is leading with white women? If that is the case on election day.. he takes a few democrats states too.
I think this article speaks for many Bern supporters. It strikes at the heart of how I feel. Sadly, Obama let us down. I say that with a heavy heart.
Bernie Sanders is about to give Democrats their 'come to Jesus' moment
Sanders is actually an FDR Democrat.
In the midst of the media's never-ending horse race coverage of the Democratic Primary, delivered by pundits who rarely leave the comfy confines of cable news green rooms to actually speak with the voters they pontificate about, a long-brewing simmer of struggle erupted.
It started with Democratic voters in 2008; so disheartened and angered by eight years of war, recklessness, and social-Darwinism-masked-as-economic-policy, they delivered Barack Obama the White House on the belief he'd usher in a new era of capital Progressivism.
Disenchanted with Obama and 30 years of trickle-down economics and corporate America's purchase of Washington, D.C., Occupy Wall Street spread in the heart of the corruption only to ultimately fizzle.
And then there was Bernie Sanders.
For all the punditry about the Vermont Senator's historic rise (or lack thereof), a simple truth has been missing. Quite the contrary from some radical, "pie in the sky" revolutionary, Sanders is actually an FDR Democrat.
You know, the Democrat who brought America back from the brink of economic calamity. The Democrat whose New Deal programs led to the creation of the American middle class. The same Democrat whose policies in the 1930's and 40's led to the strongest decades of economic equality and prosperity for the majority of Americans—as opposed to those at the top—in the 1950's and 60s.
And the Democratic Party and establishment, who beginning in the 1970's decided to begin a pivot away from the working class and New Deal era in favor or wealthier suburbanites and corporatists, has fought Sanders every step of the way.
Sure, party leaders and lawmakers have delivered good lip service.Hillary Clinton—whose big-money donors from Wall Street, corporate America, K Street, and other special interests have served as her political oxygen throughout her career—lauded Sanders for challenging the Party on unaccountable money.
The revolution is not over: How Bernie Sanders can still win
But she, and the Democratic establishment backing her, don't mean a damn word of it. No objective person can suggest Democrats haven't looked the other way as inequality exploded.
From the Clintons to Chuck Schumer to Harry Reid and other corporate Democrats—who love uttering the words middle class before heading to fundraisers with the same folks who've decimated it—the bottom line is clear....
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/02/bern...ts-their-come-to-jesus-moment-commentary.html
Bernie Sanders is about to give Democrats their 'come to Jesus' moment
Sanders is actually an FDR Democrat.
In the midst of the media's never-ending horse race coverage of the Democratic Primary, delivered by pundits who rarely leave the comfy confines of cable news green rooms to actually speak with the voters they pontificate about, a long-brewing simmer of struggle erupted.
It started with Democratic voters in 2008; so disheartened and angered by eight years of war, recklessness, and social-Darwinism-masked-as-economic-policy, they delivered Barack Obama the White House on the belief he'd usher in a new era of capital Progressivism.
Disenchanted with Obama and 30 years of trickle-down economics and corporate America's purchase of Washington, D.C., Occupy Wall Street spread in the heart of the corruption only to ultimately fizzle.
And then there was Bernie Sanders.
For all the punditry about the Vermont Senator's historic rise (or lack thereof), a simple truth has been missing. Quite the contrary from some radical, "pie in the sky" revolutionary, Sanders is actually an FDR Democrat.
You know, the Democrat who brought America back from the brink of economic calamity. The Democrat whose New Deal programs led to the creation of the American middle class. The same Democrat whose policies in the 1930's and 40's led to the strongest decades of economic equality and prosperity for the majority of Americans—as opposed to those at the top—in the 1950's and 60s.
And the Democratic Party and establishment, who beginning in the 1970's decided to begin a pivot away from the working class and New Deal era in favor or wealthier suburbanites and corporatists, has fought Sanders every step of the way.
Sure, party leaders and lawmakers have delivered good lip service.Hillary Clinton—whose big-money donors from Wall Street, corporate America, K Street, and other special interests have served as her political oxygen throughout her career—lauded Sanders for challenging the Party on unaccountable money.
The revolution is not over: How Bernie Sanders can still win
But she, and the Democratic establishment backing her, don't mean a damn word of it. No objective person can suggest Democrats haven't looked the other way as inequality exploded.
From the Clintons to Chuck Schumer to Harry Reid and other corporate Democrats—who love uttering the words middle class before heading to fundraisers with the same folks who've decimated it—the bottom line is clear....
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/02/bern...ts-their-come-to-jesus-moment-commentary.html
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