The ACLU demands an end to separation of church & state

Certain churches, anyway.

The ACLU says that U of M can install Muslim Footbaths:
DEARBORN — Muslim leaders in Metro Detroit have decided not to raise private money to pay for two footbaths at a local college campus now that the American Civil Liberties Union has said the plan doesn’t pose constitutional problems.

The University of Michigan-Dearborn’s plan to spend $25,000 on the footbaths was criticized on conservative blogs and radio shows this month. Critics said using public money for the project would violate the First Amendment, which says governments can’t favor or subsidize religions.

Muslims are required to wash body parts, including feet, up to five times daily before prayers. University officials say the floor-level wash basins are needed because some students at the 8,600-student campus wash their feet in the sinks.

Dawud Walid, executive director of the Michigan chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), said his group was concerned a public outcry would cause the university to back down from the project.

“If the ACLU had decided to take legal action against the UM-Dearborn, we probably would have called for the university to raise the funds privately, just so that the UM-Dearborn wouldn’t have to go through the trouble of having to defend its position against the ACLU,” Walid said.

Kary Moss, director of the Detroit branch of the ACLU, said its review concluded the plan is a “reasonable accommodation” to resolve “safety and cleanliness issues” that
arose when Muslims used public sinks for foot cleaning before prayers, which often spilled water on bathroom floors.

“We view it as an attempt to deal with a problem, not an attempt to make it easier for Muslims to pray,” said Moss, who likened the plan to paying for added police during religious events with huge turnouts. “There’s no intent to promote religion.”
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070618/METRO/706180361&imw=Y
 
Well that may be one way to provide for safety.

Another way would be for a sign saying no putting your feet in the sink.

Why not provide bongs for indians who smoke peyote as part of their religion in order to avoid dangerous second hand smoke?


I know the above example is over the top but providing for public safety can be accomplished in more ways than one.

And using private funds in a public place is not the answer either.

Look at litigation over the war memorial cross on mt soledad in San Diego. I think the lawsuit against the now private cross came from the ACLU.
 
Quote from Sparohok:

The rationale in the last two paragraphs sure makes sense to me. What about you TGregg, what's your objection?

Martin

With respect, it's absurd. I might say it's not a big deal if the ACLU were not on its own jihad across the country to eradicate any Christian symbols on public property or if muslims had any respect for other religions.

The problem with accommodating muslims is that it starts down a slippery slope. First it's foot baths. Next, separate prayer rooms. Next, providing mosques and imans, next letting them have their own justice system, next prohibiting any criticism of islam. Look at the UK.

If they find conditions in the US too intolerable, let them move to Saudi Arabia or some other muslim paradise.
 
The A.C.L.U. defends anyone on a constitutional principle basis.

Hell, they even defended that fat slimbag puss ball Rush Limfat...
 
Paranoia, the destroya...

Only when public (tax dollars) issues are involved, not private issues.

Check yourself, if they defended all the complainers, we would see them standing side by side with Paris Hilton, et. al.

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

With respect, it's absurd. I might say it's not a big deal if the ACLU were not on its own jihad across the country to eradicate any Christian symbols on public property or if muslims had any respect for other religions.

The problem with accommodating muslims is that it starts down a slippery slope. First it's foot baths. Next, separate prayer rooms. Next, providing mosques and imans, next letting them have their own justice system, next prohibiting any criticism of islam. Look at the UK.

If they find conditions in the US too intolerable, let them move to Saudi Arabia or some other muslim paradise.
 
yeah anyone they choose, not anyone deserving.

Look I rally have no problems with Muslims praying.

I always did have a problem when I went in to use a bathroom in college and I would see Muslims sticking their feet in the sink in our student center where we eat.

I basically stopped washing my hands in public places unless I made a "mistake."


But now I am a bit pissed at the aclu.

We can not have a removable christmas scene for a few weeks a year on public property but we are going to use tax dollars to pay for a 365 day a year monument to Islam everywhere a Muslim wishes to pray.

come on where is it going to end and why are we favoring Islam over other religions? Why dont muslims buy some land and build more prayer areas?
 
Quote from TGregg:

The ACLU demands an end to separation of church & state

Certain churches, anyway.


How can the ACLU demand the end of something that has never existed?

This is just some more drama from our resident religious fundamental drama queens.
 
Christianity has been, and still is the dominant religion in America, second of course to the religion of money and capitalism.

Is more government money spent on Christian religion related causes than any other religion, etc.?

The fundamental argument is that if you support on religion in any way, you have to give equal access and opportunity to the practices of every other religion....you know that, you just don't like it.

Genuine separation of church and state makes all churches equal...they all get nothing, they all get no tax breaks, etc.

So what is your problem?

The A.C.L.U. is going after a much bigger issue than just this case. They are trying to put up that wall that Jefferson spoke of...

Oh, and Hindus (as vegetarians, as well as 7th Day Adventist vegetarians and some Buddhists) have a problem with public funding for meat in school problems.

Get over your religious issues, and be a good old accepting non judgmental Christian...you know, the way that Christ...your master...wanted you to be...

Quote from jem:

yeah anyone they choose, not anyone deserving.

Look I rally have no problems with Muslims praying.

I always did have a problem when I went in to use a bathroom in college and I would see Muslims sticking their feet in the sink in our student center where we eat.

I basically stopped washing my hands in public places unless I made a "mistake."


But now I am a bit pissed at the aclu.

We can not have a removable christmas scene for a few weeks a year on public property but we are going to use tax dollars to pay for a 365 day a year monument to Islam everywhere a Muslim wishes to pray.

come on where is it going to end and why are we favoring Islam over other religions? Why dont muslims buy some land and build more prayer areas?
 
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