The ACD Method

Quote from kinggyppo:

The first premises is that the opening range is statistically significant. Fisher estimates that is the high/low for the day around 20% of the time. You then look for what's called an A up in which the stock or commodity
spends a certain amount of time over the a value which is plotted in advance based on a volatility measure. There is only one A up per day. In the example given in the book when the price of crude reaches 25.77
and A up is made and you go long crude there. The A value is plotted in advance based on a proprietary indicator. In this thread we have figured out that the calculation being based off of some percentage of the average true range of the product. Personally I like using 20% of a 10 period average true range. There is no set in stone answer for the average true range and and time period to use. I wouldn't doubt that different traders for his firm use different values as well. In prior discussions on this thread, we came to the conclusion that low volatility will give you fairly tight A and C values, with the opposite for volatile markets. If you look at Bollinger bands you will see a similar phenomenon. I would refer you to the "know your ACDs " chapter of the logical trader.

Your second question is difficult for me to answer, in general the 930 Eastern time open is critical for many commodities has more volume is traded during normal business hours. However, one could argue in the ES for example that the overnight Globex high/low is important. Again, this goes to your trading style and also the timeframe you are using. I would use the pit open as you stated for most markets. The Nikkei for example opens at X time in Japan, I would translate that to New York time, and use that as your open. I hope I haven't confused you further. I find the basic ACD method to be a little confusing at first, I think I have read the opening pages over 100 times. Remember he is giving you a complete trading system with entries and exits that are rule-based so take some time and try to get a good working understanding of the system before you commit real capital. Maverick is our resident expert here and has a lot of useful commentary regarding the system.
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Ok thanks that was helpful I'll be delving more into the book and this thread more (I'm 1/3 through it).

I'm still having some difficulties understanding how to calculate A and C values. I'm not looking for specific levels as I understand that it depends on each traders style and personality. Where I'm having trouble is whether the ATR to use is a daily or just the opening range ATR? You seem to be saying that it's the opening range ATR but Mavrick says on the first page that you can come up with the values using a 5 or 10 day ATR. That's why I'm confused I began reading this thread before getting the book thinking values are calculated using a daily ATR. Can you clarify this for me?
 
Quote from DT3:

Ok thanks that was helpful I'll be delving more into the book and this thread more (I'm 1/3 through it).

I'm still having some difficulties understanding how to calculate A and C values. I'm not looking for specific levels as I understand that it depends on each traders style and personality. Where I'm having trouble is whether the ATR to use is a daily or just the opening range ATR? You seem to be saying that it's the opening range ATR but Mavrick says on the first page that you can come up with the values using a 5 or 10 day ATR. That's why I'm confused I began reading this thread before getting the book thinking values are calculated using a daily ATR. Can you clarify this for me?
i think you keep several sets of levels,monthly weekly etc
 
Quote from ammo:

i think you keep several sets of levels,monthly weekly etc

... each of which may be unique... (y'know, just to make it more complex) but seriously, in terms of intra-day, I've always had luck with the values Fisher had on his old website:

20-25% of the 30 day ATR

Just start playing with the values, and you'll find what works for you.
 
Quote from kinggyppo:

good post forex, I would draw your attention to the discussion way back in the thread regarding vol levels in the opening breakout. low vol is going to give tight A and C values, high vol gives you larger A and C values. This is the point Mav was making that volatility is the key. The values themselves will adjust with changing vol and you can further refine this based on your risk tolerance. Think about if you are trading a breakout method you don't want your stop too tight. This is why I say when the mkt has high vol you have to widen your stops and lower amount of contracts. This can be proven mathematically, in short low vol look for breakouts/breakdowns, high vol look for reversion to the mean.

LOL! @ way back in the thread. I will sit down one of these YEARS and sift through it all to get up to speed on the whole course of the discussion but I do thank you for providing a synopsis of what was discussed.

I can definitely get down w/ that hypothesis @ volatility affecting A & C values. I had never considered that for two reasons: 1. The modified version I traded didn't include A & C values in the traditional sense and 2. my mentor's philosophy was one that didn't allow for fixed stops. It was always based on price reversing, crossing over to the other side of the opening range, and that bar closing on said opposing end. That bar could, in theory be a steep / tall one and this was part of the test, I believe (he was the type to tear down the walls of sanity to assist in the rebuilding even stronger ones). However, I've since refined the method by adding another filter to assist in reducing running losses and allowing winners to run. Again, this is all ideas w/o real execution yet.

Now that's not to say I'm not interested in learning more about the way(s) it was originally intended as well as other's own unique spin on things. :) Nothing like a little dialogue to expand the ol' thinky thing.

Looking forward to making this my primary strategy, indefinitely!:p :p :p
 
Quote from Maverick74:

Hey Forex, you were asking me a while back when my next meeting is, we'll be having dinner and drinks two weeks from tonight in Lakeview if you want to join us.

I'd absolutely be up for that! Actually, I was planning a rollerskating trip up to Chicago around that very time so it's perfect timing. Please keep me posted. :D

I give thanks!
 
Quote from Maverick74:

Hey Forex, you were asking me a while back when my next meeting is, we'll be having dinner and drinks two weeks from tonight in Lakeview if you want to join us.

Hey King, you are invited as well! Outdoor patio...we usually have 10 to 15 traders there...always a good time. This is where I reveal what the secret A levels are...:)
 
Quote from DT3:

Ok thanks that was helpful I'll be delving more into the book and this thread more (I'm 1/3 through it).

I'm still having some difficulties understanding how to calculate A and C values. I'm not looking for specific levels as I understand that it depends on each traders style and personality. Where I'm having trouble is whether the ATR to use is a daily or just the opening range ATR? You seem to be saying that it's the opening range ATR but Mavrick says on the first page that you can come up with the values using a 5 or 10 day ATR. That's why I'm confused I began reading this thread before getting the book thinking values are calculated using a daily ATR. Can you clarify this for me?


daily average true range, enclosed is a chart with the daily average true range for es daily chart. The range of the range is from a low today @15.97 to a high of 22.65 you can take x% to plot A and C values. Maybe use 18 here.
 

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