Nice pop in the DIA/JJC (Dow/Copper) spread today and all month long for that matter.
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It doesn't matter the time frame. There have been countless weekly A downs and intra-day A downs. And plenty of failed weekly and intra-day A ups to fade against the monthly and weekly A downs. The number of trades over the last month or two with the trend probably number over 30. Fading momentum is a very stressful way to trade regardless of whether or not you make money.
. Very hard for a machine to do this, so this edge will last far into the future. Well unless a Simon's or somebody develops a neural net that has self awareness and can peform like a human....don't think that will happen anytime soon lolQuote from Maverick74:
It doesn't matter the time frame. There have been countless weekly A downs and intra-day A downs. And plenty of failed weekly and intra-day A ups to fade against the monthly and weekly A downs. The number of trades over the last month or two with the trend probably number over 30. Fading momentum is a very stressful way to trade regardless of whether or not you make money.
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I totally agree with the latter statement John. Also alot of the time using hard stops can be tough with mean reversion approaches because momentum will be against you almost immediately entering into the trade. So you can shaken out of trades many times. I've tried using time stops with some mean reversion approaches and it does improve profitability, but you have a higher exposure to tail risk. Believe me I've gotten caught in trades that can wipe out profits from a few days! Profit potential is usually capped, so its more of a steady flow of decent trades and then some horrendous ones that make you want to yak! lol Definitely can be a grinding way to make a living lol
I think you have shown us that the price action trader is the best of all worlds. You do a combination of reversion and momentum , but things are always in context and always looking at the big picture. Also a price action trader can see when one side is trapped and use the opposing technique to take advantage. Very hard for a machine to do this, so this edge will last far into the future. Well unless a Simon's or somebody develops a neural net that has self awareness and can peform like a human....don't think that will happen anytime soon lol
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Gold is at the 3rd Standard deviation of the bollinger band on the daily. This doesn't happen that often. I am sure there are some bottom pickers that are taking heat right now!
I made an indicator in TOS that looks at the ATR of the past n periods and plots a standard deviation band on top of that. So you are essentially looking at when volatility is getting stretched to extremes or even when it is contracting...this can lead to a good breakout trade.
A two std deviation move for one day in Gold landed us at 1577 for today. The low was 1565. Using this approach, you would have to scale into the position and expose yourself to potentially large heat to make 20 handles or so. The trend move was alot larger tho and provided none of the tail risk that the reversion trade did!
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Simons isn't going to live forever.![]()
A good price action action trader can see things that no chart, no fundamentals or machine can see. So if one can learn that skill, there is a long long edge that can't be taken away. I hope in 2012 to hone this skill better through these ETF spreads.
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Ichi what!? You sticking with the statistical framework you had before right? I think that was a very good framework to work with.