The $4 trillion force propelling US stocks to record highs

S2007S said:
Art ...dont even mention it....I have watched certain pieces come back 2 or 3 or 4 times to auction only to skyrocket in price each and every time...its not at all about the look of the art, but just for the value and what the future return will be...if anyone actually believes they are buying a Rothko or picasso because of the way it appeals to them is just a joke. They buy these pieces only as an investment to flip them a decade later for many many multiple tens millions than what they paid.
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Applies to collectibles in general too.
One often overlooked "reason" is that art, and other collectibles like wine and watches, are portable. A person can not easily move cash, metals, gems, wtc with regard to the current reporting rules and confiscatory laws. For that matter, a person can not merely get on plane any more! Wait until October 2020 to see the havoc Real ID will cause. But collectibles, they are a different type of safe deposit.
 
S2007S said:
It's all about juicing the markets...I ponder what the markets would be like if there was never fed intervention. No stock buybacks .no overnight lending rescues, , no tarp, no fed cutting rates everytime wallstreet cries like a little bitch, .it seems as much as a free market should exist it will never exist. The markets are extremely reliant on nothing but free money and unlimited fed intervention.
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Good story but complete bs. Stock buybacks are merely public companies privatizing their company in part or in whole. I know this concept confuses you because you don't understand that shares are ownership in the companies themselves, and many of those companies have huge yearly profits that grow the value of their company. In addition, if you want to make 4-5% dividends on something like TD Bank, versus the shitty return you get on your savings account, you have to put some money to work.

Once one looks at each and every conspiracy theory guys like you trot out endlessly, and look at specific data points behind such claims, your ideas just collapse into a complete joke. Stock markets are a free market; nobody forces your hand to buy anything and the biggest investors are ordinary people with their "retirement" money and some of the more successful companies themselves. Again, it confuses you when real events occur that defy your theories on valuations ( eg when Microsoft bought LinkedIn ).

None of the money is free money. Go ahead, show us some data points that compel you to these ridiculous theories. I have yet to see any of you clowns on here support your claims with real information. Not even a tiny bit.
 
nooby_mcnoob said:
The reason such a market cannot exist is because the plebs really don't see the market as worth their while. They will just buy a house, pay it off and then reverse mortgage it till they die. It's not a bad life.

Stock market, art, wine, all these things are now playthings of the wealthy which they trade between each other trying to get one over on the other.
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90% of what "traders" post on here is complete bs. Pointless theories with no reality to them. I'm not sure what the point is other then they prefer to think of stock markets as a casino backed up by nothing on the balance sheet. Not surprising thought that many of these same people are lousy investors of money.
 
S2007S said:
Art ...dont even mention it....I have watched certain pieces come back 2 or 3 or 4 times to auction only to skyrocket in price each and every time...its not at all about the look of the art, but just for the value and what the future return will be...if anyone actually believes they are buying a Rothko or picasso because of the way it appeals to them is just a joke. They buy these pieces only as an investment to flip them a decade later for many many multiple tens millions than what they paid.
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I still have my Beanie Baby collection, waiting for them to appreciate.
 
Nine_Ender said:
90% of what "traders" post on here is complete bs. Pointless theories with no reality to them. I'm not sure what the point is other then they prefer to think of stock markets as a casino backed up by nothing on the balance sheet. Not surprising thought that many of these same people are lousy investors of money.
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I'm just saying what the numbers say. Lowest retail participation in decades.
 
ironchef said:
I still have my Beanie Baby collection, waiting for them to appreciate.
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Oh do I remember those. I think maybe a handful of them that were limited are worth money, the rest are worth zero, some collectors think one day they will come back up in value. I still own baseball cards amd comic books from decades ago that are now worthless, very few of these items are worth anything. Even old antiques have lost value as most Millennials do not see value in these types of things anymore, and ever since the internet came about that's when most of these collections lost value as well.
 
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