The 4 stages of the SCT trader

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Stage 5 - Anger

I took a ration of s*** from Spyder, being the "asshole", etc. With him it's always the students fault, impossible to be the teacher. You wanna explain how something as basic as picking out a FTT after the fact, by someone supposedly profitable, can be so far off base? Not a real good comprehension level in my estimation. bundlemaker

Stage 6 - Regret and Resignation

I have not been able to succesfully trade the ES even though that doesnt mean its not POSSIBLE. tradingbug

Stage 7 - Vengeance

Lines the bottom of his/her bird cage with pictures of Hershey.

Makes a SpyderTrader dartboard

Develops an unusual desire to put their PC in the microwave whenever they see a Hershey 2000 word post.

Creates an 8x10 foot glossy of the SCT methodology (must be this big to contain the entire thing), and spends all night driving over it with their car in studded snow tires.
 
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I really have no comments on the claims of SCT as I have never seen any of them shown but as far as the basis for the method itself (the channels, the price+volume) I KNOW they work and everyday.
What you describe as 'they work' has been defined long before Hershey. Keltner, Volume Spread Analysis (well defined in Tradeguider's product), and by Richard Wyckoff.

There is little disputing of the value of basic price/volume relationships. What is amazing about the cult around Jack is the insistance that Hershey's profitability claims are true and price/volume trading originated with him.


Clearly, you are moving back to your "Stage 3" patterns. Be careful!!! :)
 
I saw him trading btw 25-60 lots. He told me, and which makes perfect sense to me, is that some of his trade situations warrant a scaling approach (never more than 3 scales) and some involve all in in one shot. As the situation is developing, he senses which type of situation it's going to be and places his trades accordingly. This is all based on his experience and how the market is setting up.

I assume the reason he isnt trading 200 lots is that he is very comfortable with his approach and makes more money than he really needs. Not everyone approaches trading to max out what they can make, some people find a niche and comfort zone and treat each day as the same. If you met him, you'd see right away that he isn't some hotshot loudmouth but rather a quiet and contemplative guy. He is comfortable with where he is at.



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Hey Cocaine - nice post:

2 questions for you:

1 How much size does your friend do to earn 7 figures in futures?

2 Does he scale in/out or go all in/out?




My only 'doubt' about such claims is that if these guys trading ES can make money every single day with little risk then why the hell are they not trading over 200 lots and making over 10 million a year since that kind of size is ridiculously easy in the ES.
 
Bro, I KNOW that Hershey didnt invent this stuff, which is precisely why I am sharing this experience with everyone. My point is that a guy who isn't affiliated with Jack has developed a method of his own and it HAPPENS to resemble what is here at ET. And he makes a great living.

Quote from slacker:

What you describe as 'they work' has been defined long before Hershey. Keltner, Volume Spread Analysis (well defined in Tradeguider's product), and by Richard Wyckoff.

There is little disputing of the value of basic price/volume relationships. What is amazing about the cult around Jack is the insistance that Hershey's profitability claims are true and price/volume trading originated with him.

Clearly, you are moving back to your "Stage 3" patterns. Be careful!!! :)
 
Quote from Cocaine:

I saw him trading btw 25-60 lots ...

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Recovery can only start when you put the bottle down.
 
Quote from Cocaine:

Bro, I KNOW that Hershey didnt invent this stuff, which is precisely why I am sharing this experience with everyone. My point is that a guy who isn't affiliated with Jack has developed a method of his own and it HAPPENS to resemble what is here at ET. And he makes a great living.

Pick out one technique that you believe contributes to your profitable trading, and I can show you a pre-dated example written in detail (with much better examples and documentation) by at least one if not many traders in the past. Jack's only "genius" is in his lies and fraud. He is good at his 'net presence' and persistence I will grant him that...

Cocaine, why are you in the church? If your friend who 'isn't affiliated with Jack' has found his way to profitability without Jack; how did he do it without Jack as his saviour?

Do you really believe 'Jack is the way and the only way'? Are you afraid you cannot succeed without Jack? Isn't that strange?

Otherwise, enjoy the church!!!!
 
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My my, I'm so glad BlueDolt started this thread, let me explain what I have been doing for the last 3 days.

Monday of this past week, I was back in touch with an acquaintance I met through a friend who trades remote like I do. He is a futures trader and has been for some years. I had sat with him once many many months ago when I contemplated making a transition from stock trading to futures. I have been stock trading as my sole source of income since 2000 but I felt I needed a change. I was stagnating. So I sat with him for one day and was amazed at what I saw. This man traded futures in a very similar manner to what Spydertrader and Jack Hershey talk about at ET. His results were far better than my stock results and he said that the this particular day was just "so so". After that I started investigating the Hershey method and that is why I posted several questions to Spydertrader some months back.

Which leads me back to this past week. Phil was nice enough to offer I swing by his place and sit with him again, this time for 3 days. So I drove over 2 hrs to meet up with him and spent Wed, Thurs and Friday sitting with him once again. I didn't mind missing several trading days, I usually avg ~$700 a day so in the long run who really cares. Let me quickly explain what I witnessed:

1. He trades using channels, and his software builds channels the same way as outlined in the Hershey method. He coded up the criteria which constitutes a channel and the software takes care of the rest. Its constantly given him a proper context as price moves from the past to now.

2. He uses price and volume religiously. In combination with his channeling context and his experience, he knows what to do in every situation in which he takes action.

3. He actually has some SCT like trades, situations where he knows from his experience that reversing as opposed to just exiting is the proper thing to do.

For the 3 days he earned 11.2k, 3.8k and 5.5k respectively (net). He never talks about P&L but I made note of it at several points throughout the day. He is very low key and you'd never guess he earns 7 figures from his home office.

Anyways, this was an excellent past 3 days. After sitting with him that one time, I got a decent idea of what is needed to trade futures successfully, but now after 3 more days and seeing his steady and continued successes, I have no doubt now that what people are reading about here at ET with regards to the "Hershey" method, works. It's really just up to the individual to sit there everyday and learn to make sense of it all.
I really have no comments on the claims of SCT as I have never seen any of them shown but as far as the basis for the method itself (the channels, the price+volume) I KNOW they work and everyday. Given that the Hershey method is comprised of these same very critical parts, I can only summise all of the other bells and whistles can add value along the way as one gains experience.

Just as a point of reference, I asked him how many down days he has a year and he said he usually has about 10 and they are roughly half to 2/3's of one normal up day. He said that 50% of his down days are caused by him being in a position when random market moving news is announced and the market suddenly moves against him. Basically news that couldnt be accounted for. He did say that occasionally, random news actually works in his favor so some of those down days are a wash anyways.
The real story ...

"I was on a three-day bender ..."
 
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