The 10,000 hour rule.

[traitor786]

Quote from Fractals 'R Us:

true 'dat
..draw those things??????????

There may be a reason we are told not to R.EAD.

They needed to print money but the standard was the issue. Some one brought up the FACT; maybe we can deviate and count on loyalty. It was a bit iffy as governments are at times doubted. To overcome this they wrote In God we trust.

Each note was given a denomination. Value was now given with price tags instead of content. The metal ones needed to be removed, they were not based on trust or loyalty. How could they allow something to compete with trust and loyalty? Doing so would mean that one could measure things against each other.

Soon trust and loyalty was spread across the world, people found that loyalty and trust prevailed

This is the basics of the dollar you will likely use to buy what you choose to buy or short. When you buy something, you buy so with trust and loyalty. So you have over 10,000 hours of experience in the buying and selling. You are a professional. You claim channels is your edge.
personally when it comes to channels JH cleared things up for me a bit. I think though he has over 10,000 hours. Id say years but he may not use the 52 week system so its hard to tell.

I have seen trading systems sell for 10,000 dollar units, at 1 dollar and hour it seems like a steal, but I have some criteria. Even if the deal is great.

Going back to your question... I think it was about programming ? If you cant even quantify how you draw them, JH has a system to draw them with a degree of consistency, I cant advocate fully as I am unsure about the first stage, but I imagine one that needs to know will seek.

Or, cant you take the highest high and the lowest low have the program draw a line and find out where price is mostly deviated from that line. Im not sure if that would be the second highest high. you would have to check. I shyed away from it out of intuition as some times the line drawn may need future price, you can use it just be careful. I know my limits. I once convinced my self of something that was not reflected at all in my trading results.

Your not new, is this where you are stuck ?

I cant speak for other people that may of posted as I do not know what they do besides go out of there way to help people to make money without giving a holygrail. Questions though at a glance seem to be handled with a different consistency then the helping part. But in their defence, this may be an attempted to save you 9900 hours. Remember they took 10,000 hours or more, to create. Following tends to shave off so much time as learning is targeted.

Generally I find answers come from questions. As stated just about everything is addressed on the forum so I guess you should do a bit of work just so you can say you tried a bit. I think it is great that you are not a newbie and you are trying something !

 

[traitor786]

experts practice for 10,000 hours. But again they also do alot of other things.

I fail to see the connection between the hours and becoming a professional. Am I misunderstanding or does any one else see that a connection is not yet made between the two?

 

[jack hershey]

Quote from traitor786:

experts practice for 10,000 hours. But again they also do alot of other things.

I fail to see the connection between the hours and becoming a professional. Am I misunderstanding or does any one else see that a connection is not yet made between the two?

There is a connection.

The statement has the word "purposeful" in it.

Most people get excluded completely because of this. My first 40 days were of varying lengths. 15 to 20 minutes for briefest days and up to 6 hours for a full day.

I was only making 10% every 6 to 8 days after the first 20 days.


Here in ET there are people who refer to me to make points in the sector where they are trying to make points. They keep defeating themselves by this personal distraction they have.

 

[achilles28]

Quote from Fractals 'R Us:

true 'dat

So I got to the point where I was drawing geometric figures on a chart to identify the trend and likewise to identify the pullbacks and some more stuff to try to figure if the trend was going to continue.. and when that started to make sense I started putting it all into a C++ script... guess what? That is a whole new level of difficult! Just how, exactly, do I draw those things?????????? I "know them when I see them!!!!" I wracked my brain for MONTHS trying to define exactly how I produced some drawings and I have only partial solutions so far...

haha personally, I don't draw anything on the charts to define trends or pullbacks. Simple price action definitions are sufficiently robust without the headfakes inherent with trendlines and averages. Iow, what did the trend do last time? It's impossible to know if the current trend will continue on to new extremes, or if it will reverse on the next pullback. All we can do is trade accordingly and have a stop set at the logical place it reverses? That's basically all I do.

 

[traitor786]

Quote from jack hershey:

There is a connection.

The statement has the word "purposeful" in it.

Most people get excluded completely because of this. My first 40 days were of varying lengths. 15 to 20 minutes for briefest days and up to 6 hours for a full day.

I was only making 10% every 6 to 8 days after the first 20 days.


Here in ET there are people who refer to me to make points in the sector where they are trying to make points. They keep defeating themselves by this personal distraction they have.

I hope the 10% wasn't as painful to take then as it may be today. I guess that is the benefit of starting, little wins are appreciated. with time small numbers are a wast.

That being said, with out distraction what do really have ? We have a fine tuned machine that has not looked at the markets. Then again some may be better off never looking at the market. If only one could be open to look and closed enough not to question.

My issue begins with words like "professional" and "purposeful". I haven't calculated my hours, but I do know I was not asked about my hours. I guess I am not a professorial. Funny yes, but imagine you were not being asked.

Let's say they survey you. In this case we assume the vagueness of the word professional was not an issue. Even if you may disagree.

Now they ask you what kind of hours you spent, you explain and they look blankly and ask you "purposeful" or "unpurposeful". Reluctantly you answer boxing yourself. Luckily they do not understand you comment you make beneath your breath.

Now, naturally since they are there they will ask other questions.
Breakfast they ask and you say "froot loops."

Next to be surveyed is me and Froot Loops is used to make sure I have a breakfast and the benefits out weigh the negative. I quote the 10k hours. Naturally, I say purposeful. And well professional ? I fit the criteria because the formulae looks at various ideas. I score week on communicating ideas with punctuation. But behaving in a civil manner I score high as I do not loose my tempure. In our case we have similar scores, only because you lost points for caps. You roll your eyes at the system maybe you say something about CW... I ask if there is bumper sticker I can put on my car !

In the end the results are in
10,000 hours on the dot ! Math is great, at the expense of one looking to program a channel and giving up on the 9950th hour.

But wait, no one asks a 1 question survey? where's the other questions? Kellog's should be allowed to profit too ? Well not at the expense of the authors credibility.

It's all details, the real failure is clear to traders it is a demon we all had.

Optimization or fitting data.

professionals were surveyed, surprisingly they they have human tendencies like spending time doing things they feel is not a wast of time.

It would be nice to know that the secretary that is now on her 28,000th hour of work is not regarded as a professional.

Add that in and we can start deriving some reality to the situation.

We can now at least come up with a number and say that our sample is small but fare. Preliminary results indicate that one should work 10,000 hours, but not over 28,000.

Removing a bias usually effects profits I guess.

Personally I plan to do the 10,000 hours, if I have not yet. but I pace myself to not go too high. I just hope posting on the site goes towards un purposeful hours. If not I may have passed optimal levels. But I gauge this through my misspelled words. and posts that run on. Once people start to understand my posts, I know I may becoming more secretary then professional.

But just in case I stay behind you in post numbers.
Naturally I am exaggerating, I did not make the rules, but if it was all true Reffering to your post numbers would indicate the minimal leeway I have before I reach un optimal levels. Just in case, let me know if you ever drop to the 10% a week level. A heads up at 10% a day level would be better.

I actually had a question for you a while back but it escapes me at the moment.

 

[achilles28]

Quote from jack hershey:

There is a connection.

The statement has the word "purposeful" in it.

Most people get excluded completely because of this. My first 40 days were of varying lengths. 15 to 20 minutes for briefest days and up to 6 hours for a full day.

I was only making 10% every 6 to 8 days after the first 20 days.


Here in ET there are people who refer to me to make points in the sector where they are trying to make points. They keep defeating themselves by this personal distraction they have.

Hey Jack,

Is there a way I can contact you? Could we have a short conversation?

 

[gucci]

Quote from traitor786:

experts practice for 10,000 hours. But again they also do alot of other things.

I fail to see the connection between the hours and becoming a professional. Am I misunderstanding or does any one else see that a connection is not yet made between the two?

Jack, what do you need another handle for? Are you really so bored?

 

[traitor786]

You think I am jack ?

Damn CW fifth graders! Why are you here ? You say you want to make money and you do not want to learn ! instead you take part in this.

I am not Jack, my last name does not contain an T, And that only goes for my LAST name !

I am not T and here is the proof.

Back in the late 70's I was to take part in an experiment In retrospect I do not remember agreeing. But that was the nature of the situation that I probably agreed to. I was chosen out of many to accumulate data and find a way to compress the data in a infallible way, This was hard Conventionally this is done through removing aspects and then refilling them.

I Clearly saw that the process was useless by design, Storage space was not an issue and if it were the coming revolution would of helped. I now had to find a way to efficiently condense data in a way that it would not need to be Uncondenced. For some reason math was not a preferred tool. using averages medians STDD and such was frowned upon. I guess they knew it was too easy to cheat.

One may ask why to condence if space was not an issue, I think that they just wanted to keep the team busy and were taking the raw data while the team was asleep.

They had their own plans and used parts of the groups data against others. Members did not realize how often ones data set crossed the others. to keep it concealed the data was not exact. it was from another detector or point of view. but they could run their math and see if there was weakness in redundancy, I guess they could use math.

" C" as he was unjustly known was a snake. he fell in to a trap. He thought he was smart. He saw that our job was not as clear as we had thought a bit after me. I was curious, he was furious.
He took his data set and played with it. It was noted right away and the punishment was harsher then any thought. Most felt locked in and stuck. admittedly I did too but I was here and I was curious, C felt he was in the wrong place being locked, I felt I was in the right place.

That night we out for our daily chore to feed ourselves. S was furious that we had to scavenge. He did not see it from behind his screen. C was chosen as a member for reasons that were not always clear to me. After I saw his frustration I begun to see.

He was hooked on revenge he did not want to be tied up ! he started to run in to the library at on his scavenging time. In that library he made the first system that I found was as respectable as mine.

since the data set was not entirely numbers he saw that in some cases only 10 digits could be placed while in others there were only 2 digits the 2 digit ones were simpler in many terms but in general they were under developed. He was curious if he could tweak it just a bit.

The system was had but one weakness and that was one of the inputs were not recognised. years later they fixed this and file names were not allowed to have this "character" Ironically we now allow it again, I like to think it is because of "C" work.

C introduced the hybrid system where digital and analog ideas could be put together. I guess some would call it a code, Other would say that data could now be presented in a direct fashion and at the same time a indirect fashion.

But since C wanted out he was doomed he is not longer with us. I took Cs work I looked for Traits in peoples work, combined common traits. Maybe my universe was not as random as one would of liked. My out come was a bit messy as my universe was messy. It was not even worth the effort. coupled with my verbal diarrhoea The out come was a desastor. Im sure T hates it. But it is what makes it so much more better. on a higher level. In coding a mess is good. especially if it is seen as not good enough to have substance or meaning.

Jacks algos,assuming he uses one, leaves things looking a bit suspicious but not enough to stand Out.

My algo goes much deeper, it has more filters and more rules and a huge database. It is not limited to 26 9 10 or 11. it is not limited to size. Though permisinon is granted to read in both cases, his seems quick to conclude an answer. mine can be reinterperated in any way I like. I can give the key to some one and it will tell him what he needs to know only.

I guess Jacks may have that quality to. but you can see a clear difference. his stands out but not enough.. but still a bit, mine stands out alot but is stupid. so in the end it does not stand out.

I pitty those that try to read my work lol


R S was doing well in her field. untill she was picked up. some how she managed to learn some of what J teaches. incredibly she made it on the net and monopolized herself. she changed peoples minds!

We wondered if this female Rose was married to a MR stone ! lol

She will out live us all in the end, she already has. And here we are left in the dust. trying to preach OODA and MADA to the CW

You thought I was Jack, now you think what you think. I have not swayed you, so be it .

But clearly you have half a brian and stop thinking like a grade 5 student you can answer your question.

It was

The year after our story started word broke out about Mccrone. You would like to think that the Macroni affair would put people like you to shame.

U have 2 peices of what seems like Fart to you in front of you. how hard is it to see if there is a difference? you take a paper and a pen, but you cant all you see is what you want to see. One thing is certain since I am NOT him and he is NOT me we will consistently say that we are not one another to everyone. Can we at least have that?

You do not want to work to find the answer, it is right here, you are too busy reading nonsense between the lines.

To be clear , I am not feeding you what you want, I am feeding you a long post that was written in under a day. From that you have a weeks to study, Surley in a day I cant think of what you will do in weeks.

WAKE UP THE MARKET IS ORTHGONAL !

Jack please dont send your crap here I know its a good lesson to clear their minds and show them how they conclude. but I went through alot in 77 and im nearly done.

 

[traitor786]

Maybe you like pictures,

Does the bar with the arrow look like jacks work at all ??


I guess it is possible for 3 people to be just as bored. Lets see how many people are bored with absolutely nothing better to do then participate in the survey.

Do I cont as a download ?

If you see similarities then conclude, you must live the same day over and over. the sun has cursed you, at least the moon gives you a lunar month before you are ground hogged.

Let me know how I can prove that I am not him to you. I will comply and I am sure has hell he will.

 

[Fractals 'R Us]

Quote from traitor786:

You think I am jack ?

Damn CW fifth graders! Why are you here ? You say you want to make money and you do not want to learn ! instead you take part in this.

I am not Jack, my last name does not contain an T, And that only goes for my LAST name !

I am not T and here is the proof.

Back in the late 70's I was to take part in an experiment In retrospect I do not remember agreeing. But that was the nature of the situation that I probably agreed to. I was chosen out of many to accumulate data and find a way to compress the data in a infallible way, This was hard Conventionally this is done through removing aspects and then refilling them.

I Clearly saw that the process was useless by design, Storage space was not an issue and if it were the coming revolution would of helped. I now had to find a way to efficiently condense data in a way that it would not need to be Uncondenced. For some reason math was not a preferred tool. using averages medians STDD and such was frowned upon. I guess they knew it was too easy to cheat.

One may ask why to condence if space was not an issue, I think that they just wanted to keep the team busy and were taking the raw data while the team was asleep.

They had their own plans and used parts of the groups data against others. Members did not realize how often ones data set crossed the others. to keep it concealed the data was not exact. it was from another detector or point of view. but they could run their math and see if there was weakness in redundancy, I guess they could use math.

" C" as he was unjustly known was a snake. he fell in to a trap. He thought he was smart. He saw that our job was not as clear as we had thought a bit after me. I was curious, he was furious.
He took his data set and played with it. It was noted right away and the punishment was harsher then any thought. Most felt locked in and stuck. admittedly I did too but I was here and I was curious, C felt he was in the wrong place being locked, I felt I was in the right place.

That night we out for our daily chore to feed ourselves. S was furious that we had to scavenge. He did not see it from behind his screen. C was chosen as a member for reasons that were not always clear to me. After I saw his frustration I begun to see.

He was hooked on revenge he did not want to be tied up ! he started to run in to the library at on his scavenging time. In that library he made the first system that I found was as respectable as mine.

since the data set was not entirely numbers he saw that in some cases only 10 digits could be placed while in others there were only 2 digits the 2 digit ones were simpler in many terms but in general they were under developed. He was curious if he could tweak it just a bit.

The system was had but one weakness and that was one of the inputs were not recognised. years later they fixed this and file names were not allowed to have this "character" Ironically we now allow it again, I like to think it is because of "C" work.

C introduced the hybrid system where digital and analog ideas could be put together. I guess some would call it a code, Other would say that data could now be presented in a direct fashion and at the same time a indirect fashion.

But since C wanted out he was doomed he is not longer with us. I took Cs work I looked for Traits in peoples work, combined common traits. Maybe my universe was not as random as one would of liked. My out come was a bit messy as my universe was messy. It was not even worth the effort. coupled with my verbal diarrhoea The out come was a desastor. Im sure T hates it. But it is what makes it so much more better. on a higher level. In coding a mess is good. especially if it is seen as not good enough to have substance or meaning.

Jacks algos,assuming he uses one, leaves things looking a bit suspicious but not enough to stand Out.

My algo goes much deeper, it has more filters and more rules and a huge database. It is not limited to 26 9 10 or 11. it is not limited to size. Though permisinon is granted to read in both cases, his seems quick to conclude an answer. mine can be reinterperated in any way I like. I can give the key to some one and it will tell him what he needs to know only.

I guess Jacks may have that quality to. but you can see a clear difference. his stands out but not enough.. but still a bit, mine stands out alot but is stupid. so in the end it does not stand out.

I pitty those that try to read my work lol


R S was doing well in her field. untill she was picked up. some how she managed to learn some of what J teaches. incredibly she made it on the net and monopolized herself. she changed peoples minds!

We wondered if this female Rose was married to a MR stone ! lol

She will out live us all in the end, she already has. And here we are left in the dust. trying to preach OODA and MADA to the CW

You thought I was Jack, now you think what you think. I have not swayed you, so be it .

But clearly you have half a brian and stop thinking like a grade 5 student you can answer your question.

It was

The year after our story started word broke out about Mccrone. You would like to think that the Macroni affair would put people like you to shame.

U have 2 peices of what seems like Fart to you in front of you. how hard is it to see if there is a difference? you take a paper and a pen, but you cant all you see is what you want to see. One thing is certain since I am NOT him and he is NOT me we will consistently say that we are not one another to everyone. Can we at least have that?

You do not want to work to find the answer, it is right here, you are too busy reading nonsense between the lines.

To be clear , I am not feeding you what you want, I am feeding you a long post that was written in under a day. From that you have a weeks to study, Surley in a day I cant think of what you will do in weeks.

WAKE UP THE MARKET IS ORTHGONAL !

Jack please dont send your crap here I know its a good lesson to clear their minds and show them how they conclude. but I went through alot in 77 and im nearly done.

Ha!! You are not Jack, no? Only Jack can be Jack and don't you forget that! Sometimes even Jack isn't Jack but that doesn't make you Jack. Jack puts on a true Treasure Hunt par excellance'.. you would be lucky to lead us in a circle that got back to where we started.. and that would be on a good day even.