The #1 Skill In Selling Options

See, you can’t win with these guys. They never show anything because there isn’t anything.

if you managed to retire with a few million, what would you do? Trade this theta gamma vol stuff and watch the screen all day? Or just sell otm puts on the index and and just buy if assigned. All this scary nonsense about blowing up when the Index trades ATM is only if you don’t have the funds to buy the underlying if assigned.
They just don’t want everyone doing this and premiums coming down. My work here is largely done. Good trading guys and remember to be nice to noobs.
I don't want to get involved in this thread technical argument, but generally, who is "nice" to noobs?
School, work, life, the gym, the street, the pub? not even one's granny teaching how to cook has to be nice in the process.
Why should seasoned finance expert professionals, bare with the annoying, continuously repeated, theories of noobies that try to re-discover hot water? and they do assist repeatedly... I am actually impressed by their patience, and I learn something even from the nastiest arguments here.
Did you learn anything new about options from this? no? well...
 
I'm not on call. I did a transfer to a joint PM account.

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I don't want to get involved in this thread technical argument, but generally, who is "nice" to noobs?
School, work, life, the gym, the street, the pub? not even one's granny teaching how to cook has to be nice in the process.
Why should seasoned finance expert professionals, bare with the annoying, continuously repeated, theories of noobies that try to re-discover hot water? and they do assist repeatedly... I am actually impressed by their patience, and I learn something even from the nastiest arguments here.
Did you learn anything new about options from this? no? well...
Because we are a decent, civilized and advanced society. That’s why!
Look, you don’t have to reply to a noob’s question but if you choose to reply, please be decent enough. When did we choose to become Wild West again? If you do this in schools, work places etc, you won’t last a day. Why should an anonymous online forum be any different?

what makes you think I am here to learn anything? You don’t know anything about me.
 
Just want to mention there are also academic studies on options, that show good working strategies with around Sharpe 3 or 5% monthly return (by selling some straddles). But I must admit I did not recalculate or backtest it myself. So the transactions cost could be higher. I just think it is too easy to say one cannot profit from options longterm.
 
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You may be overlooking the benefit of being exposed to stress and pressure. In a real-world trading environment there is a fair bit of that stuff. And, getting used to it in a relatively safe place like a forum, where no one's financial fortune is actually on the line may have some benefit.

Because we are a decent, civilized and advanced society. That’s why!
Look, you don’t have to reply to a noob’s question but if you choose to reply, please be decent enough. When did we choose to become Wild West again? If you do this in schools, work places etc, you won’t last a day. Why should an anonymous online forum be any different?

what makes you think I am here to learn anything? You don’t know anything about me.
 
bias?

Still waiting on those (unbiased) academic papers.

Ok I will post the links to them here once I find them again. But what I have described is something that's observed in options market and it's not resolved by the fact that it's a zero-sum game. It's when the payoff from the zero-sum game is asymmetrical that's the problem which I tried to explain in my original post in this thread here which nobody bothers to read:

Directional bets is not any more profitable either because you are limited by theta if you go for short-term. Options is really best for hedging and not for speculation, period because it's rigged always in favour of the dealer just like the casino. It's a venture where when you lose you will always lose more than you win and when you win, you are always limited in how much you can cash out despite the fact that it advertises that your payoff is supposed to be infinite. When you long in volatility where your payoff is supposed to be infinite, you pay up a lot more and you are limited by theta where the dealer changes the game and says I will only pay up when the price moves this amount by this amount of time so even if moves the amount predicted but because it didn't move by that time, the dealer says sorry I can't pay up that much. So then you thought ok if my profit potential is limited by theta, why don't I become the dealer and sell options and limit others' potential profit by theta so that way I don't have to pay up when the price didn't move X amount by X amount of time, then the dealer turns around and pushes up gamma so much that it makes theta move in the opposite direction so it doesn't limit profit potential anymore and the price moves up so much that you are forced to pay up and lose lot more than you gain and the dealer wins again. So it's basically when you are long in volatility, you don't get paid and when you short in volatility, you get fucked in the a$$. Either way you don't get paid and the casino does all the time.

But when you are hedging, it's different because you are not using it to make money; you are using the underlying to make money and options is just a cheaper way to recoup some losses if you are incurring it on the underlying. When the underlying is making money, it's making enough to cover the cost of the options and when it's making losses, the gamma on the options will take over and make the options increase in value for you to recoup the losses. So theta doesn't affect you as much anymore and you are taking full advantage of gamma.
 
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I am actually impressed by their patience, and I learn something even from the nastiest arguments here.
So, they have to be patient and put up with this shit to get your teachings? What’s next? Sexual favors? You see where this is going?
 
They gotta do something and the choice, as far as I can tell, is up to them.
So, they have to be patient and put up with this shit to get your teachings? What’s next? Sexual favors? You see where this is going?
 
They gotta do something and the choice, as far as I can tell, is up to them.
Wow! Can’t believe this!

The only thing you can ask them to do legally is pay a consulting fee. That’s all! Treating them like this, subjecting them to humiliation, asking sexual favors etc are illegal. Even on an online forum.
 
So here are some sample academic studies.

Who Profits From Trading Options?

51 Pages Posted: 16 Jun 2021

Jianfeng Hu
Singapore Management University - Lee Kong Chian School of Business

Antonia Kirilova
Singapore Management University - Lee Kong Chian School of Business

Seongkyu Gilbert Park
Willamette University

Doojin Ryu
Sungkyunkwan University

Date Written: June 15, 2021

Abstract
We use account-level transaction data to examine trading styles and profitability in a leading derivatives market. We find that retail investors in particular favor a consistent trading strategy: approximately 70% of retail investors predominantly hold simple one-sided positions in only one class of options, while institutional investors are more likely to use multiple strategies with a range of complexity. Accordingly, we use trading style complexity as an ex ante measure of trading skills to demonstrate its significant effect on investment performance. We find that retail investors using simple strategies are losing to the rest of the market. For both retail and institutional investors, volatility trading earns the highest return, and risk neutral strategies deliver the highest Sharpe ratio. We conclude that these style effects are persistent and cannot be explained by systematic risk exposure or known behavioral biases.

https://deliverypdf.ssrn.com/delive...14109121008080067116119020&EXT=pdf&INDEX=TRUE

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Investor sentiment and value and growth stock index options
Jerry Coakley
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George Dotsis
,
Xiaoquan Liu
&
Jia Zhai
Pages 1211-1229 | Received 13 Mar 2012, Accepted 20 Feb 2013, Published online: 18 Apr 2013

Abstract
The paper examines the relationship between both individual and institutional investor sentiment measures and the risk-neutral skewness (RNS) of seven stock index options comprising either growth or value stocks. It provides novel evidence that growth index option prices are affected by sentiment measures. The regression results indicate a significantly positive relationship between sentiment measures and the RNS estimated from four growth index options and a negative relationship with two value index options. The results are economically significant since an associated long–short trading strategy yields high abnormal returns with a Sharpe ratio of up to 1.1 and zero exposure to systematic risk. These high abnormal returns provide evidence of a value premium type anomaly in the index options markets.
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Optimal Option Portfolio Strategies: Deepening the Puzzle of Index Option Mispricing José Afonso Faias and Pedro Santa-Clara* Abstract Traditional methods of asset allocation (such as mean–variance optimization) are not adequate for option portfolios because the distribution of returns is non-normal and the short sample of option returns available makes it difficult to estimate their distribution. We propose a method to optimize a portfolio of European options, held to maturity, with a myopic objective function that overcomes these limitations. In an out-of-sample exercise incorporating realistic transaction costs, the portfolio strategy delivers a Sharpe ratio of 0.82 with positive skewness. This performance is mostly obtained by exploiting mispricing between options and not by loading on jump or volatility risk premia.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/serv...the-puzzle-of-index-option-mispricing-div.pdf

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Commodity Option Implied Volatilities and the Expected Futures Returns Lin Gao ∗ November 12, 2017 Abstract The detrended implied volatility of commodity options (VOL) forecasts the cross section of the commodity futures returns significantly. A zero-cost strategy that is long in low VOL and short in high VOL commodities yields an annualized return of 12.66% and a Sharpe ratio of 0.69. Notably, the excess returns based on the volatility strategy emanate mainly from its forecasting power for the future spot component, different from the other commodity strategies examined so far in the literature which are all driven by roll returns. This strategy demonstrates low correlations (below 10%) with the other strategies such as momentum or basis and performs especially well in recessions. Our results are robust after controlling for illiquidity, other commodity pricing factors, and exposure to the aggregate commodity market volatility. The VOL measure is associated with hedging pressure on the futures and especially on the options market. News media also helps amplify the uncertainty impact. Variables related to investors’ lottery preferences and market frictions are able to explain part of the predictive relationship.

https://deliverypdf.ssrn.com/delive...96086094024082001068006100&EXT=pdf&INDEX=TRUE

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...and there are many more interesting academic studies within the options space. And they also show more profitable strategies too FYI.
 
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