The $1 Billion Armageddon Trade Placed Against the United States

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The $1 Billion Armageddon Trade Placed Against the United States

By Jack Barnes, Contributing Writer, Money Morning
Someone dropped a bomb on the bond market Thursday - a $1 billion Armageddon trade betting the United States will lose its AAA credit rating.

In one moment, an invisible trader placed a single trade that moved the most liquid debt market in the world.

The massive trade wasn't placed in bonds themselves; it was placed in the futures market.

The trade was for block trades of 5,370 10-year Treasury futures executed at 124-03 and 3,100 Treasury bond futures executed at 125-01.

The value of the trade was about $850 million dollars. In simple terms, if that was a direct bond buy, no one would be talking about it.

However, with the use of futures, you have to have margin capacity behind the trade. That means with a single push of a button someone was willing to commit more than $1 billion of real capital to this trade with expectations of a 10-to-1 return ratio.

You only do this if you see an edge.

This means someone is confident that the United States is either going to default or is going to lose its AAA rating. That someone is willing to bet the proverbial farm that U.S. interest rates will be going up.

I believe what happened is a debt-ceiling deal was done in Washington and leaked to a major proprietary trader. Everyone knows the debt negotiations in Washington have been an extreme game of brinksmanship between political parties, but now someone knows how that game played out.

This had the hallmarks of one of the largest bond shops in the world knowing something the rest of the market didn't.

The number of shops or even central banks that can take on this level of market risk is extremely small. Some that come to mind are hedge fund manager John Paulson, Bill Gross's PIMCO, and the U.S. and Chinese central banks.

Paulson already scored big - about $6 billion big - on a similar trade years ago when he bet against subprime mortgages, the investments that helped bring down Lehman Bros. and many other investors.

Whoever was behind it wanted a trade on ASAP, and didn't care about the ripples they would cause.


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You can see how this trade caused fear to be unleashed in the market once it got out and the implications hit by looking at U.S. Treasuries. People who were long 30-year Treasuries panicked as they saw the huge short put on the futures market, and started to unwind their long exposure.

What you, as investors, should do now is look at the bond exchange-traded funds (ETFs) that provide a positive rate of return when U.S. Treasuries drop in value. Yields are going up sooner rather than later, if the person behind this Armageddon trade is correct.

http://moneymorning.com/2011/07/25/the-1-billion-armageddon-trade-placed-against-the-united-states/
Lots of media hype.
Nonetheless interesting.

The total futures value is $1B? Or only the margin they placed?
From which brokerage the trade came from?
If its Goldman Sachs then it's something to worry about
 
Quote from EON Kid:

The trade was for block trades of 5,370 10-year Treasury futures executed at 124-03 and 3,100 Treasury bond futures executed at 125-01.

Looks like a hedge.

The value of the trade was about $850 million dollars. In simple terms, if that was a direct bond buy, no one would be talking about it.

However, with the use of futures, you have to have margin capacity behind the trade. That means with a single push of a button someone was willing to commit more than $1 billion of real capital to this trade with expectations of a 10-to-1 return ratio.
Huh?


Whoever was behind it wanted a trade on ASAP, and didn't care about the ripples they would cause.

Ripples? Seriously?
 
Quote from Martinghoul:

Stupid stupid article.

Big time.

My first reaction was that the author had never seen a live CME or Eurex Treasury futures order book in his life, and had no concept about how truly ordinary and mundane and routine his observation really was.

So, in his bio on the 'website' he worked in the PR department at Franklin-Templeton Funds and is a part-time fireman with the Forestry Service. Which of course explains the article's genesis.
 
Quote from intradaybill:

Get you facts straight. The majority of the US debt is held by US. A technical default would shake away many weak hands that will panic and not hold bonds to maturity and give the treasury the opportunity to buy back those bonds really cheap, bringing the debt down by 50% overnight.

This is America. Be very careful with whom you mess...

http://www.businessinsider.com/who-owns-us-debt-2011-7#ixzz1SigWIR70

Well excuse me!

It would seem that you are a prime example of someone who lets his emotional patriotism lead over the cold facts of day. Your post proves my thesis as you have clearly trawled the internet (a fountain of dubious and incorrect information) until you have found a 'story' that supports your hopes, encouraging your hypothesis that it is easier to keep ones head in the sand.

Why, even the US govt agrees with my stance, and disagrees with which ever sold-out hack cooked up that story you posted. Not everything on the internet is true you know!

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/tic/Documents/mfh.txt

Boy would you believe it! The Chinese are in fact the largest holder of US debt.


BTW, I think a 'technical' default as you put it will lead to a little bit more than a 'shaking out of weak hands' just like the Greek default shook out more than the weak hands, and the strong hands, and the banks, and the governments, and the....

Lets wait for next week when USA gets down graded.

SSSSOOOOOOOOLLLLDD!!

Next.
 
Quote from trade2live:

This can be simple hedging by a bond fund

A good point, but if it was a basis trade, wouldn't an EFP or EFR have been better than a Block?

I thought the benefit of a Block was that it can be executed away from the market, giving the party who will be off side an immediate chance to cover at profit, while giving the other side a 'wholesale' price for taking a large chunk of inventory off the other sides book?
 
I think there is to much risk (or profit) to be reaped from trading bonds right now... this is always true, but in tumultuous times such as these now the moment is more relevant than ever in recent history. I personally will still away from trading bonds until the situation clears....
 
"The trade was for block trades of 5,370 10-year Treasury futures executed at 124-03 and 3,100 Treasury bond futures executed at 125-01."

"The number of shops or even central banks that can take on this level of market risk is extremely small. Some that come to mind are hedge fund manager John Paulson, Bill Gross's PIMCO, and the U.S. and Chinese central banks."


This is so unbelieveably wrong I don't know what to think.
 
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