Thanks Nazi's, ,,er...I mean Republicans

ZZZzzzzzzz · Jul 8, 2006

Sure, you have nothing to hide. That's what people say...

Rush Limbaugh, that fat anal cyst infected bag of bile and pus has been a big supporter of Bush's illegal spying...but can't handle it when it comes out that he has been using penis pills?

Says he won't travel because someone is "out to get him?"

The danger is not in the spying, the danger is in data collection, and future administrations who have that personal sensitive data, that can later be used for political purposes that don't serve national security, but rather serve a selfish personal end.

Everybody, everybody has secrets, and when the government has those secrets, you never know who might get access to them and use them against us...

The founders didn't trust the nature of and power of government to be anything but transparent and balanced between the various powers, as they knew human nature very well.

Quote from RedDuke:

And political opponents.

The point is that I would not care if someone listened my conversation, I have nothing to hide so it does not matter.

The issue is that it is just a beginning. Things like this start as something very minor and they will snow ball if they are not stopped.

redduke

b_ale · Jul 9, 2006

"If a consensus of the majority is all it takes to determine what is right, then having and controlling information becomes extraordinarily important"--Masamune Shirow

deadbear · Jul 9, 2006

Quote from Pabst:

Who cares? I mean it.

For almost a century the IRS has had the right to freeze bank accounts, seize assets, imprison people, go through your stuff without notice or warrant. Does the left care? Of course not. Why? Because to liberals we only exist as revenue producers for the State.

Pabst,
What law gives the IRS the right to do the things you mention without due process?

EqtTrdr · Jul 9, 2006

It starts with data collection and ends with National ID cards and implanted RFID chips in every citizen.....

but then again.. you know what.....

I really don't mind having an RFID chip implanted in my arm because...."I have nothing to hide".....

:eek:

Rearden Metal · Jul 9, 2006

But it's for the children!

From the Washington Post:

"In March, the House passed the Children's Safety and Violent Crime Reduction Act.

Under the broad-ranging bill, DNA profiles provided voluntarily, for example, in a dragnet, would for the first time become a permanent part of the national database. People arrested would lose the right to expunge their samples if they were exonerated or charges were dropped. And the government could take DNA from citizens not arrested but simply detained."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/02/AR2006060201648_pf.html

Banjo · Jul 9, 2006

There has never been a time in human history when newly available technologiies did not find a reason to be utilized by the extant power structures to enhance their power bases. There never will be.

thunderinvalley · Jul 9, 2006

Quote from Banjo:

There has never been a time in human history when newly available technologiies did not find a reason to be utilized by the extant power structures to enhance their power bases. There never will be.

why is this? who or what are they? what do they want from the rest of us?

Rearden Metal · Jul 9, 2006

Quote from thunderinvalley:

why is this? who or what are they? what do they want from the rest of us?

Orwell knew the answer. From 1984:

'You understand well enough ~how~ the party maintains
itself in power. Now tell me ~why~ we cling to power. What
is our motive? Why should we want power? Go on, speak,' he
added as Winston remained silent.
[...]
Nevertheless Winston did not speak for another moment or
two.
[...]
'You are ruling over us for our own good,' he said
feebly. 'You believe that human beings are not fit to govern
themselves, and therefore -

He started and almost cried out. A pang of pain had shot
through his body. O'Brien had pushed the lever of the dial
up to thirty-five.

'That was stupid, Winston, stupid!' he said. 'You should
know better than to say a thing like that.'

He pulled the lever back and continued:

'Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is
this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We
are not interested in the good of others; we are interested
solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or
happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you
will understand presently. We are different from the
oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing.
All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were
cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian
Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they
never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They
pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized
power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just
round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings
would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that
no one seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it.
Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a
dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes
the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The
object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture
is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin
to understand me?'

Rearden Metal · Jul 9, 2006

For those with 'nothing to hide':

If I were to scan through your life with a fine tooth comb, I would certainly find numerous misdemeanor offences, and probably a few felonies as well. There are so many 'victimless crime' laws, it's just impossible to live without breaking a few of them.

dddooo · Jul 9, 2006

They hate us for our freedoms, right? Bush and the Pabsts of the world are actually protecting America by eliminating terrorists' reasons to hate us - one freedom at a time.