Thanking God for your good fortune is the ultimate conceit

[FerdinandAlx]

Quote from traderNik:

Not sure who this is addressed to - I never said any of the above, other than the best way for me to make my life is to create my own truth and do as I damn well please. God damn right it is.

It says a lot about you that you would look at someone who says this and condemn them.

With regard to right and wrong... I have notice that the leading moral relativists on this site are all the religious mystics, with the Disgusting Troll pimping them on. I have argued from a position of moral absolutism for things like child rape and murder. Since you have been here for a couple of months, you wouldn't know this. Again, it says a lot about you that you would level this charge without knowing anything of my beliefs or my stated position. Once more, this is the kind of shallow analysis we have come to expect from the believers. After all, when one assumes that an unknowable, unseeable, unprovable God is truth, what proof does one need of anything? Assertion is all that is necessary (Disgusting Troll, are you listening?).


But then the fundament of belief is obsequience.

I was addressing you and others that share your point of view. You claim that my analysis is superficial but you're wrong. You see, there are paterns within morality and ethics that are confined to certain parameters. Moral absolutism predicts the existence of such paterns with good and evil as the confining parameters. I recognized a pattern within your post, namely your believe that you create your own truth. Ironically such a believe is incompatible with your moral absolutism. Perhaps hypocricy is not confined to the "religious mystics" you choose to attack.

Furthermore you make the wrong assumption that God is unknowable, unseeable or unprovable. I have seen proof that God exists and I have spoken with others that know such evidence exists within their own lifes. But why would I share such an experience with someone who condemns me to an asylum?

 

[FanOfFridays]

Quote from FerdinandAlx:

I have seen proof that God exists

I rest my case.

 

[I am...]

Quote from stu:




That's exactly what the Jesus in the bible tale did as well. Why should a 2000 year old Jesus story be true or real, any more than today's Iam-Jesus story be true or real.

At least you recognize that it is the same message. That's progress. Eventually you will recognize it as true.

Jesus

 

[I am...]

Quote from traderNik:

I rest my case.

It's called revelation. It's an intensely personal experience that is beyond words. It helps you move from perception back to certain knowledge.

Jesus

 

[FanOfFridays]

Quote from Doubter:

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Simple? You don't seem to get the irony of your "observing" versus others "judging" and yet denying that that is exactly what you are doing and still claiming that this is balanced thinking.

Yes, for the believer, all received truth is unassailable and all non-believers are sinners. We've heard all of it before, and in recent years we have heard it from people who have said that as a result of it, they will be trying to murder us.

By the way, you should look up the definition of 'irony'. You seem to be unaware of its meaning.

 

[Doubter]

Quote from traderNik:

Yes, for the believer, all received truth is unassailable and all non-believers are sinners. We've heard all of it before, and in recent years we have heard it from people who have said that as a result of it, they will be trying to murder us.

By the way, you should look up the definition of 'irony'. You seem to be unaware of its meaning.

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Irony = "All the different senses of irony revolve around the perceived notion of an incongruity, or a gap, between an understanding of reality, or expectation of a reality, and what actually happens.

Your being "judgemental" and calling it "observant" is that incongruity.

 

[stu]

Quote from I am...:

At least you recognize that it is the same message. That's progress. Eventually you will recognize it as true.

Jesus

Yours isn't the same message. It's just another different fantasy story on a theme.
First though, I would have to recognize Jack and the Beanstalk story as true. That's because the Jesus fables, yours and others, are even more far fetched.

 

[jem]

We have made progress.

Stu can no longer deny the historical existence of someone named jesus.

 

[ElCubano]

i wonder how many pages this one will run??? certainly not in the hundreds again..I mean how can you guys keep regurgitating the same thing.....the bottom line is that some believe and others dont...that doesn't make anyone right or wrong...again its called FAITH ( and both camps are using it ) ...of course some more than others...

I guess i just choose to think, want to think, believe, have faith, acknowledge that everything around us didnt make it here by chance...I could be 100% incorrect or 100% correct...

 

[stu]

Quote from jem:

We have made progress.

Stu can no longer deny the historical existence of someone named jesus.

can you explain how you make that stretch (without hurling insults if possible)?