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Thanking God for your good fortune is the ultimate conceit
- Thread starter Thunderdog
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The master of ultimate reality, stupid says it ain't real, so it ain't real...
Marvelous argument stupid, marvelous...
Marvelous argument stupid, marvelous...
Quote from stu:
jem, has no one told you yet, it' s a fairy story dude. It isn't actually real. You know like Jack and the Beanstalk isn't really true.
Get a grip man We are living in the 21st century you know, not the friggin stone age.
well now troll boy, you 're very quick jumping to the defence of your Belief Buddy. Still trying to keep him on track obviously. So your idea of an "ultimate reality" has Jack in the Beanstalk as real then . Oh dear.Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
The master of ultimate reality, stupid says it ain't real, so it ain't real...
Marvelous argument stupid, marvelous...
Stupid, master of reality.
In stupid's ultimate reality, nothing exists unless he says so...
You really can't see the irony in you personally becoming just as dogmatic, judgmental, intolerant, fundamentalist, totalitarian thought and belief pushing as the theists you denounce.
Really, quite sadly funny...at the same time.
In stupid's ultimate reality, nothing exists unless he says so...
You really can't see the irony in you personally becoming just as dogmatic, judgmental, intolerant, fundamentalist, totalitarian thought and belief pushing as the theists you denounce.
Really, quite sadly funny...at the same time.
Quote from stu:
well now troll boy, you 're very quick jumping to the defence of your Belief Buddy. Still trying to keep him on track obviously. So your idea of an "ultimate reality" has Jack in the Beanstalk as real then . Oh dear.
Quote from stu:
jem, has no one told you yet, it' s a fairy story dude. It isn't actually real. You know like Jack and the Beanstalk isn't really true.
Get a grip man We are living in the 21st century you know, not the friggin stone age.
Stu you need help. Really - I am sorry some religious person hurt you but you need to move on with your life. Your emotions cause you to say stupid stuff.
Your point is completely irrational. It does not matter if the story is real or not. The guy is calling himself Jesus and claiming to help people achieve eternal life.
If he is going to teach stuff inconsistent with the biblical Jesus what is the point of calling himself Jesus. why not call himself Gilbert of God.
Adopting such a contra handle is a disinformation device and perhaps a little diabolical.
Quote from maxpi:
God would have to violate the will of a lot of people to lower my taxes. It's not really in my domain to pray for that and expect some kind of response any time soon. I'll pray about it actually, I might wind up with the loophole of all loopholes, who knows?
So which do you hate more, conservatives or Bible readers? I don't really hate anybody.
I dont hate anybody. Hate is a strong emotion. I dont have strong emotions about anything.
I do however like to challenge bible thumpers when they proclaim they have the truth. I dont hate them but rather think they are deluded.
A state of skepticism and suspense may amuse a few inquisitive minds.
But the practice of superstition is so congenial to the multitude that, if they are forcibly awakened, they still regret the loss of their pleasing vision.- Edward Gibbon, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire
So you are not claiming to have the truth?
Glad we cleared up that misconception...otherwise I would think you are deluded into thinking that your belief system is the truthful one, not only for you, but others...
Glad we cleared up that misconception...otherwise I would think you are deluded into thinking that your belief system is the truthful one, not only for you, but others...
Quote from vhehn:
I dont hate anybody. Hate is a strong emotion. I dont have strong emotions about anything.
I do however like to challenge bible thumpers when they proclaim they have the truth. I dont hate them but rather think they are deluded.
A state of skepticism and suspense may amuse a few inquisitive minds.
But the practice of superstition is so congenial to the multitude that, if they are forcibly awakened, they still regret the loss of their pleasing vision.- Edward Gibbon, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
So you are not claiming to have the truth?
Glad we cleared up that misconception...otherwise I would think you are deluded into thinking that your belief system is the truthful one, not only for you, but others...
The only truth we know for sure is that the bible is not true and there is no evidence that there is any supernatural force or deity acting in our lives. Everything we observe has a natural explaination. All gods are believed on the basis of faith alone. I am in agreement with this statement.
"Faith is a firm, stoic, and sacred conviction which is both adopted and maintained independent of physical evidence or logical proof. It is also an assumption of absolute accuracy and inerrent authority which must never be questioned. Science, on the other hand, is a matter of skeptical inquiry, in which nothing is sacred, and where even authority opinion is suspect. Its an objective method of measurably or verifiably improving our understanding of physical nature in practical application, or mathematics, or through experimentation and observation, and proposing falsifiable hypotheses explaining the facts in a theoretical framework to be subjected to a perpetual battery of critical analysis in peer review. Science parallels the rationalist perspective in that 'belief' should be tentative, conditional, and restricted only to that which is directly- supportable by logic or evidence; that, while many things may be considered possible, nothing should be positively believed unless positively indicated via the scientific method, and all assumptions must be questioned. In short, scientific methodology is the antithesis of faith, opposites in every respect."
Do you have any evidence for belief in a deity? I am willing to look at any and all evidence. I will say this. If i ever saw any evidence that any god existed or any prayer every worked i would have no problem changing my mind.
A lack of evidence does not necessarily lead to a truth, especially when all the instrumentation is flawed and limited...
Really, I suggest therapy to help you deal with the personal beliefs of others, to learn to be more accepting of the point of view of others on such personal matters.
I can agree when people try to push any belief on others, or apply their personal beliefs to the political process, but you blow a gasket anytime someone states their own personal belief in the Bible.
So what? What really is the problem, as long it is their personal belief system and they are not trying to force their belief system onto you.
You really do appear to have some control issues, and deeply seated resentments that you carry around like a massive chip on your shoulder in this area.
Why not just practice a "live and let live" approach as long as they are not harming you?
The mission you are on, is going to fail, I assure you..
You are like stu and other fundamentalist fire and brimstone atheists here pushing your belief systems onto others.
If you found something that works for you personally, great, that's cool.
However, trying to tell me that my personal belief systems are wrong, and your are right, is nonsense, as there is no proof that you are correct about my belief systems being right for me.
It is a value judgment you are passing on others, and that is illogical and irrational.
The more you are angry and pissed off you are, claiming that rationality is at work in your thinking, the more absurd it appears...
Really, I suggest therapy to help you deal with the personal beliefs of others, to learn to be more accepting of the point of view of others on such personal matters.
I can agree when people try to push any belief on others, or apply their personal beliefs to the political process, but you blow a gasket anytime someone states their own personal belief in the Bible.
So what? What really is the problem, as long it is their personal belief system and they are not trying to force their belief system onto you.
You really do appear to have some control issues, and deeply seated resentments that you carry around like a massive chip on your shoulder in this area.
Why not just practice a "live and let live" approach as long as they are not harming you?
The mission you are on, is going to fail, I assure you..
You are like stu and other fundamentalist fire and brimstone atheists here pushing your belief systems onto others.
If you found something that works for you personally, great, that's cool.
However, trying to tell me that my personal belief systems are wrong, and your are right, is nonsense, as there is no proof that you are correct about my belief systems being right for me.
It is a value judgment you are passing on others, and that is illogical and irrational.
The more you are angry and pissed off you are, claiming that rationality is at work in your thinking, the more absurd it appears...
Quote from vhehn:
The only truth we know for sure is that the bible is not true and there is no evidence that there is any supernatural force or deity acting in our lives. Everything we observe has a natural explaination. All gods are believed on the basis of faith alone.
Faith is a firm, stoic, and sacred conviction which is both adopted and maintained independent of physical evidence or logical proof. It is also an assumption of absolute accuracy and inerrent authority which must never be questioned. Science, on the other hand, is a matter of skeptical inquiry, in which nothing is sacred, and where even authority opinion is suspect. Its an objective method of measurably or verifiably improving our understanding of physical nature in practical application, or mathematics, or through experimentation and observation, and proposing falsifiable hypotheses explaining the facts in a theoretical framework to be subjected to a perpetual battery of critical analysis in peer review. Science parallels the rationalist perspective in that 'belief' should be tentative, conditional, and restricted only to that which is directly- supportable by logic or evidence; that, while many things may be considered possible, nothing should be positively believed unless positively indicated via the scientific method, and all assumptions must be questioned. In short, scientific methodology is the antithesis of faith, opposites in every respect.
Do you have any evidence for belief in a deity? I am willing to look at any and all evidence. I will say this. If i ever saw any evidence that any god existed or any prayer every worked i would have no problem changing my mind.
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
Really, I suggest therapy to help you deal with the personal beliefs of others, to learn to be more accepting of the point of view of others on such personal matters.
If you are an example of what i can expect after i would take the therapy you suggest i will pass. I rather enjoy having a mind free of superstitious beliefs.
The difference between you and i is you start with the indoctrinated belief that there is a god out there so you defend lack of evidence as proof you are right. I on the other hand refuse to believe anything unless there is positive evidence.
I am willing to live and let live. If bible thumpers would abide by matt 6:6 you would never hear anything from me.