Don't forget that the GDP is net positive, even though employment is shrinking. Economic activity is probably shifting in region and industry, and that will have an impact on housing. [/B]
the housing market here in socal is smoking, particularly apartments. but i can tell you 1st hand that i mostly recognize the sellers names, not the buyers. also, the arguments given that there is no land, its expensive to build, etc, were all just as valid a year or two ago. people are buying apartments because they have seen others make alot of money in the past 3 years and they are desperate for yield. when the baitball is buying, all the indicators are maxed-out... when they get burned and turn, you'll see expense and vacancy projections jump, rents will soften, etc and cap rates will climb. if the risk is to the downside, buyers should be commanding higher yields, not lower yields that are indicated by (in some cases) sub-6% cap rates. we are now seeing C-grade apts trade with very strong demand. they are usually the last to go, as they should be. renters will move when they lose their jobs, and i strongly suspect/predict that many will relocate to other states. and what would rent control would do to apartment values in areas such as san diego county! could happen.
in the housing market in the late 1980's, i saw people camp-out here so that they could offer like $389,000 on 3,000 SF houses on 5,000 SF lots in the central portion of san diego county. that was a lot of dough then. grannie provided the down payment, lived in the downstairs bedroom and was the day-care provider while mom and dad worked. then mom got here hours cut = recession. then she got laid off = depression. no more 2nd income. then dad's job looked shakey = turd storm/no spending beyond essentials - time to sell this big house! BTW, entry-level 1,600 SF homes are now approaching $400,000 in blue collar/middle-class burbs. do people stop and think that they are paying $250/SF for a modest quality home on a 4,000 SF to 5,000 SF lot? and that it might be 1-2 hours from their place of employment?
we have not really been hit by the recession yet. when it happens it could have a very negative impact on real estate values. people have no savings. as reported in a recent active trader mag article, the average mortgage payment is at a 40% ratio - what were they not long ago - 25% to 30% max? average downpayment is 7% - yeah, i'd loan 1/2 million to a guy that can come up with only $35,000 down payment... that equity will disappear in a correction so fast from these levels it wont be funny! and people will be very hesitant to service debt beyond the value of the house, if they can in fact service it. seen it before!
california has massive budget problems - watch what the tax rates do (up). also watch and see what happens if the poor majority decide to repeal proposition 13. calif is less business friendly than most nearby alternatives in terms of the EDD, EPA, you name it. watch new mexico, nevada and oregon come courting businesses again - would you pay salaries high enough for goobers to buy 1/2 million $$$ shacks, or $150,000 to $200,000 houses in other states.
we continue to be overrun by illegal immigration, thus impacting the infrastructure. if times get tough, they'll have to cram a 3rd family into that 1Br/1Bth apartment unit.
yeah, everything is rosy?